.............as we've moved on to drummers in general!!... included in the first dozen or so LPs I bought were "Mel Torme and the Meltones" which introduced me to Art Pepper and Marty Paich, and then to "Smack Up" and the delights of Frank Butler. Non-Pepper aficionados will perhaps only know him from "Seven Steps to Heaven" where he is the West Coast drummer. The next Pepper LP was "Art Pepper plus Eleven, Modern Jazz Classics", one of my all-time favourites, which leads us back to Mel Lewis who is also featured on many if not all of the fantastic set of LPs by the Terry Gibbs Dream Band.
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So have I, Calum! His work with the Dave Brubeck Quartet was amazing, I thought.Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Postalways had a soft spot for Joe Morello meself
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To be absolutely honest, I had absolutely no idea of the ethnicity of any drummers when I was growing up (often heard on my dad's collection of jazz LPs) and it wouldn't even have occurred to me to wonder! Having said that, some of my favourite jazz musicians were black - Lionel Hampton, Cab Calloway (who also featured in a fantastic recording of "Porgy and Bess") and Ella Fitzgerald probably the ones I loved best and still do love. Having now heard Chick Web on YouTube (thanks to recommendations from posters on here), he is up there with them.Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
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"Art Pepper plus Eleven, Modern Jazz Classics", one of my all-time favourites
another masterpiece from 1959 eh
Zauberfloete i find Krupa and Wilson in cahoots in the BG trio and quartet just awesome - Teddy W's left hand and Gene K's bass drum conspire to make you fell the bass player is there!
Buddy Rich made some recordings with the masters of bebop [Parker Gillespie Monk] where he did not quite fit the bill ... been off him since i scored the album years ago ...According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.Comment
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Donna Lee, and the key just shifts up a minor third mid solo, magic!!!Comment
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Only thing better than a good drummer...NO drummer. Chet Baker.
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Have to disagree, (but I would, wouldn't IOriginally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
another masterpiece from 1959 eh
Zauberfloete i find Krupa and Wilson in cahoots in the BG trio and quartet just awesome - Teddy W's left hand and Gene K's bass drum conspire to make you fell the bass player is there!]
Bebop opened things up by eliminating the lefthand stride, offering interaction twixt joanna and drums of more unpredictable ergo interesting kinds and offering the bass a place. In this respect BR was a more elaborate (over-elaborate) end filler to Swing - hence the reason why...
Buddy Rich made some recordings with the masters of bebop [Parker Gillespie Monk] where he did not quite fit the bill ... been off him since i scored the album years ago ...
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I bought the Bird, Diz, Monk album on ten inch when I was getting into jazz ...that long ago.
Rich was fekin clueless, what was Granz thinking of?
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Perhaps! Although it was Granz who paired Stan Getz and Trane on stage, against Miles wishes, and produced a gorgeous Whats New from Coltrane...
But Buddy Rich, with Bird, really....
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ditto on that 10" El Senor ....
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It always amazes me just hiw much stick Buddy Rich gets for these records made with Charlie Parker and it is one of the most lazy cliches ever trotted out in jazz . I don't think this track is anything less than exceptional - easily the definitive recording of this tune and on which Rich is entirely sympathetic to the other soloists. (Although on this take, it is Bird who fluffs his break and Rich is imperious.) I love the Dizzy and Monk solos on this tune:-
The strange thing about the criticism ("feckin clueless" ) is that whilst Rich obviously didn't get bebop drumming, the results still swing. "My melancholy baby" is enhanced by Rich's drumming and it doesn't detract from so-called more Modern Players who were Rich's contemporaries . Gillespie actually cut his first record in 1935 (i think) as a member of Teddy Hill's band. Looking back over 60 years, the musicians don't seem too incongruous and certainly nowhere near as much as a mis-match as may have appeared to be the case at the time. I think Charles Fox is one of the few critics to have commented that Parker would have appreciated the drive and swing from Rich and I think it is true that Parker could not have objected too much to Rich being on what was a fairly short session and a minute percentage of the total work of Parker, Monk, Dizzy or Rich. The whole critique is exagerated. No ever comments on Louis Armstrong's old drummer Zutty Singleton "not getting" Parker on the records that he made with Bird. There are far worse examples of Rich on record and the recent Avid 2-CD release demonstrates that he could be far more intrusive in small groups when billed under his name. I don't understand why these records are slagged off ad nausium as if Rich recorded little else or indeed anything that was worse. Here is a more sympathetic review of Rich's recordings with Mike Manieri and Sam Most which my Dad has on the Mosaic box set. These recordings are pretty "modern" and impressive:-
I have to say that the criticism with Rich never seems to work when the boot is on te other foot. I've never heard anyone remark negatively about Elvin Jones'work with Earl Hines on an album like "Once upon a time." I love this record but the line ups are wonderfully incongruous and I think Jones enjoyed performing with an older generation of players. However, I'm not too impressed with his playing behind Duke Ellington on the album with John Coltrane. On "Take the Coltrane", Duke simply gives up playing as Jones doesn't want to listen to his piano.
A lot of the appeal in jazz for me is the fact that disimilar musicians are often matched up in the studio. It's interesting hearing musicians like Lee Konitz jamming with Buck Clayton, etc. The results might not necessarily work all the time (Johnny Hodges with Olvier Nelson, for example) but the sessions Rich made with Parker are not the disaster they have been made out to be. I think it is time that this lazy cliche and jazz apartheid is knocked on the head. I would have thought that these sessions would have been ripe for a revisionist aproach in 2012.Comment
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Wondered if you had ever heard this record by Bob Crosby that features Ray Bauduc on drums? This is another track that I've always loved - the drumming sounds like it belongs to a "Tom & Jerry" cartoon:-
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Thanks, Ian. I get what you mean about Tom & Jerry. Actually, I've always thought that the music on those cartoons was brilliant (off the top of my head, I think it was Scott Bradley who was responsible for it). I've never heard of Bob Crosby or Ray Bauduc before so thank you for giving me some other jazzers to research!
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Parker didnt want Rich anywhere near that date and lobbied for Roy Haynes to be in his place. Granz wanted Rich to demonstrate a...melting pot. Eh?
Victory to the ANC.
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