New needs need new expressions.... what do old needs need?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Alyn is pretty much in the mainstream this week with a soupçon of funk at the end ....

Geoffrey examines the Art of Tatum, but neglects the album with Webster and also the Piano Robot made of his playing


Julian celebrates 50 years of Fairfield Hall staging jazz concerts [yes i was there!]

Jex offers:

Jez Nelson presents Jim Hart's Cloudmakers Trio in an exclusive session with guest saxophonist Antonin-Tri Hoang. Hart is a founder member of the London-based Loop Collective and has in the last 5 years become established as one of the UK's most exciting vibraphone players. His latest project, Cloudmakers, features American bassist Michael Janisch and regular bandmate Dave Smith on drums. Their music blends the contemporary European tradition with influences such as Thelonious Monk and the New York downtown scene - the band have just released a live album with avant-garde East-Coast trumpeter Ralph Alessi. Here, they team up for the first time with young French saxophonist Antonin-Tri Hoang - a member of cutting-edge large ensemble the Orchestre National de Jazz.

... i was there i was there it was out of this world

[Anna]

I've just looked at Alyn's playlist - yes, it is very mainstream but somehow, on a cold Winter day, mainstream is equivalent to comfort eating isn't it? It has a feel good factor about it.

[Serial_Apologist]

I've just looked at Alyn's playlist - yes, it is very mainstream but somehow, on a cold Winter day, mainstream is equivalent to comfort eating isn't it? It has a feel good factor about it.

Anna, you have a feelgood factor about you, but you're not mainstream...

[charles t]

Serialist says:

"Anna, you have a feelgood factor about you, but you're not mainstream..."

(Placing on turntable)

Jack Bruce - 'Never Tell Your Mother She's Out Of Tune'

[Anna]

Oh, come on S_A and charles, you are embarrassing me - and I'm sure Alyn won't like being compared to comfort food, aka cauliflower cheese!

[grippie]

http://youtu.be/brf6_3e7zsg

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Did I really hear the intro to JRR as a... "Soupcon of Shipton?"

What next, a Greasy Grill
of Geoffrey Smith?

Hold the chips.

BN.

[Serial_Apologist]

Did I really hear the intro to JRR as a... "Soupcon of Shipton?"

What next, a Greasy Grill
of Geoffrey Smith?

Hold the chips.

BN.

Wouldn't that be a greasy spoon?

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Waiter, I'll have the Cassoulet Peter Clayton! Sorry Sir, thats off, how about a warm Val Wilmer soup?

Cheeky Gitler.

BN.

[Alyn_Shipton]

It would appear a soupçon more is what Mr Cornet announced...obviously overcome by the i-phone app....

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

no criticism intended about the comforts of mainstream with a soupçon of funk, especially at the end ...... the facts,ma'am, just the facts ...

play this with your scones and tea!

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Garcon, a Soupcon of Houston Person...and make it snappy.

BN.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

comme ca El Senor Blue?

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Tres nifty, Calum...Ive been listening to a lot of boppish mainstream over my extended birthday...Benny Green, Ammons, Paul Quin, Billy Mitchell, Joe Newman etc, Age or the evil influence of JRR?

I feel a Humph coming on.

BN.

And a 20s guitarist via Utube, "Snoozer Quinn", who played with Bix etc...Christ, soon I'll be exchanging my Andrew Hill for Ken Colyer 78s. Hold that washboard.

[Ian Thumwood]

Bluesnik

Never heard of Snoozer Quinn and originally thought that this was a wind up but the playing on this tape is pretty sensational. It makes you wonder who typical this performance was of musicians of that era stretching out beyond the confines of 78 rpm records.

There is also a website dedicated to him which cane be seen here. Curious to lesarn that he was another musician who came out of Peck Kelley's band. (as did Jack Teagarden and Pee Wee Russell.

http://snoozerquinn.com/

If you serious want to consider "Modernism" in jazz I would seriously suggest that you should start with Beiderbecke. Without his way of thinking, you could argue that jazz might have remained a something of a folk music but Bix was checking out 20th Century classical music in the early 1920's before Armstrong had broken the mould with the Hot 5's and 7's. There are accounts that even as a teenager (Beiderbecke was born in 1903) he was soloing by using whole tone scales - a stock device of Thelonious Monk. Working with the likes of Whiteman, he would also have been exposed to the works of Grofe and Gerswhin who were amongst the most informed composers in America at the time when the States started to look towards it's own musical identity as opposed to modelling itself of European music as you might find with composers like Amy Beach.

Andrew Hill is something of a hero for me but I can't help thinking that his own involvement with the likes of Paul Hindemith very much reflected the earlier approach of Beiderbecke insofar that both had a huge interest in contemporary Classical Music and a thirst to understand how it worked. I 'm almost inclined to say that jazz has always been "Modern" although I can appreciate the comment about Ken Colyer who tried to faithfully reproduce the earlier "uneducated" spirit of jazz musicians like Bunk Johnson and Freddie Keppard although personally I don't have a problem with this as early forms of jazz fascinate me.