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  • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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    • Dec 2010
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    JACK MASSARIK- St. Jackie, "Childish free jazz posturing"

    Passing thro WH Smiths and leafing thro the absurd "Jazzwise" (sic) I chanced on a review by our old mate/critic Happy Jacko Messowaki of a new book on Jackie Mclean, life and works. Jacko disputed some of the critiques and described Jackie's (CLASSIC) "Let Freedom Ring" and "One Step Beyond" as "chldish free jazz posturing", Jackie being far better when he was playing youthful smacked up bop with Miles in 1952.

    Laugh or cry? Has Jacko ever got over meeting his hero but (hippy) fashionista Tubby Hayes with extra big facial hair (OK, it was bloody awful), puffing grass and playing "sorta free" in the late '60s?

    "TORRENTS OF HATE" as Le Jack called late Coltrane.

    BUCKETS OF.

    BN.
  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 9173

    #2
    i do not enter W H Smith now for any reason .... nor buy nor read the evening Standard ...one instinctively knows one will meet people of the wrong sort ...... and nasal hair is so unbecoming in a man ...
    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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    • burning dog
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      • Dec 2010
      • 1509

      #3
      Total misjudgement... To be expected at the time but sounds crazy to hold this kind of opinion now. He likes straight ahead bop, fair enough, but it's a plain insult and false to describe these albums as childish (or even "Free"!). According to this logic some of Wynton's mid 80s small group stuff must have features of "childish free form". It's like the trad fans who thought Louis Armstrong was too modern.

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      • Jazzrook
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        • Mar 2011
        • 3045

        #4
        Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
        Passing thro WH Smiths and leafing thro the absurd "Jazzwise" (sic) I chanced on a review by our old mate/critic Happy Jacko Messowaki of a new book on Jackie Mclean, life and works. Jacko disputed some of the critiques and described Jackie's (CLASSIC) "Let Freedom Ring" and "One Step Beyond" as "chldish free jazz posturing", Jackie being far better when he was playing youthful smacked up bop with Miles in 1952.

        Laugh or cry? Has Jacko ever got over meeting his hero but (hippy) fashionista Tubby Hayes with extra big facial hair (OK, it was bloody awful), puffing grass and playing "sorta free" in the late '60s?

        "TORRENTS OF HATE" as Le Jack called late Coltrane.

        BUCKETS OF.

        BN.
        Some historic comments on 'Jazzwise' & Massarik:-
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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 37361

          #5
          Originally posted by Jazzrook View Post
          Some historic comments on 'Jazzwise' & Massarik:-
          https://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/h...thread=7525572
          Thanks for this reminder, and for keeping these, JR!

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          • eighthobstruction
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            • Nov 2010
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            #6
            We never did like Jack, did we....
            bong ching

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            • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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              • Dec 2010
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              #7
              The book in question is "Sugar Free Saxophone - The life and times of Jackie Mclean" by Derek Ansell c. £20.00. Ansell also wrote a biog of Hank Mobley. Looks good/will buy.

              BN.

              Chris Searle's review in the Morning Star..."So to read Derek Ansell's exuberant new biography of "Jackie Mac," called Sugar Free Saxophone, brought back evocatively hearing him for the first time in that Romford bungalow.

              And a powerful read it is too, full of life detail and critical nous, with a portrait of a new jazz age when the post-bop glories of the Blue Note label became the signature sound of much that was new in the music, marked with surprise, risk and excitation. To get a full appreciation of Ansell's fine book it helps if you've got some of McLean's Blue Note gems next to your stereo - restlessly swinging albums like Jackie's Bag (1960), Bluesnik (1961), A Fickle Sonance (1961) or Destination Out (1963) among many others. Truly, you'll never want to stop."

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              • Serial_Apologist
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                • Dec 2010
                • 37361

                #8
                Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
                The book in question is "Sugar Free Saxophone - The life and times of Jackie Mclean" by Derek Ansell c. £20.00. Ansell also wrote a biog of Hank Mobley. Looks good/will buy.

                BN.

                Chris Searle's review in the Morning Star..."So to read Derek Ansell's exuberant new biography of "Jackie Mac," called Sugar Free Saxophone, brought back evocatively hearing him for the first time in that Romford bungalow.

                And a powerful read it is too, full of life detail and critical nous, with a portrait of a new jazz age when the post-bop glories of the Blue Note label became the signature sound of much that was new in the music, marked with surprise, risk and excitation. To get a full appreciation of Ansell's fine book it helps if you've got some of McLean's Blue Note gems next to your stereo - restlessly swinging albums like Jackie's Bag (1960), Bluesnik (1961), A Fickle Sonance (1961) or Destination Out (1963) among many others. Truly, you'll never want to stop."
                Romford eh? I wonder if Chris encountered Graham Bond, who sired from them parts (Collier Row actually), and who I'd have imagined would have been a bit of a Jackie fan too.

                Thanks for letting us know, Bluesie - one to consider in conjunction with A B Spellman's chapter on JM in Four Lives in the Bebop Business, p'raps.

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                • grippie

                  #9
                  Here's looking at da board

                  cheeeeeeeeeeers jack
                  Last edited by Guest; 07-09-12, 15:12.

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                  • Tenor Freak
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 1043

                    #10
                    Oooh, getting all nostalgic for the old Bored.......


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                    • Tenor Freak
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 1043

                      #11
                      BTW I don't suppose anyone has a recording of that episode of JLU where dear ol' Jack let that one slip?

                      <thanks>
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                      • grippie

                        #12
                        Jack Massarik syndrome posts

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                        • Serial_Apologist
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by grippie View Post
                          http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F2...thread=5642773

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                          http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F2...thread=5297472
                          Many thanks for these reminders, grippie. Amazed to discover 1 or 2 of those links still work.

                          God, I thought I'd only been posting for 2 years!

                          Absent friends eh.

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                          • eighthobstruction
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                            • Nov 2010
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                            #14
                            Tremendous cut up rap style editings by KK on his Japanese Knotweed website of Jack in full dolloping self confident critic burps ....
                            bong ching

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              • Dec 2010
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
                              Tremendous cut up rap style editings by KK on his Japanese Knotweed website of Jack in full dolloping self confident critic burps ....
                              Thanks for the pointer 8th - didn't spot that one...

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