JRR: testing the boundaries

[Byas'd Opinion]

Back to the Dan: the recording of Aja, and in particular how they got Wayne Shorter to play on it http://www.jazzwax.com/2011/07/how-s...e-shorter.html

[Old Grumpy]

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Bruce has raised an interesting topic and it would be fascinating to see just how far you could go with JRR selecting tracks by pop musicians where the music is effectively jazz. I think that the definition of what is or what isn't jazz changes through time as the music has evolved. I would say that this has always been a debatable issue as things from the past which may have been identified as jazz sometimes come across as being markedly divorced from it these days.

Intersting commment - does it really matter, if the listener enjoys and is moved by the music? I personally cannot get past the first five minutes of most of what Jez features on Jazz on 3 and JRR (under previous presenters) did not really feature much (what I would consider) free jazz. I personally would be quite content to hear the Hilliard Ensemble/Jan Garbarek collaborations on JRR - but I guess many would not consider it Jazz.

OG

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

i do OG

[Alyn_Shipton]

I gave Garbarek/Hilliards 5 star review in the Times for their Cambridge concert 2 years ago - a rarity for me. Why not bung in a request? You all know the email....

[Ian Thumwood]

Calum

Garabek is a bit of a "marmite" musician for me. His earlier stuff in the 60's seems a poor shadow of the likes of Ayler but by the 70's he was producing some amazing work with the likes of Stanko, Jarrett, etc which is a high point in European jazz in my opinion. The later stuff with his own groups from the 90's onwards seemed increasingly "New Age" and I can no longer abide it even though i was a huge fan to begin with. I've really lost track of this musician but I did see Garbarek / Hilliard at Salisbury Cathedral about 10 years ago and the impact of the music and the architecture combined was hugely memorable. The way the sound resonated around the cathedral was amazing and gave the impression that the room inside the cathedral was almost another instrument itself. The overall result was pretty powerful . I think Garbarek is an interesting subject for debate as he seems to be "jazz" but the elements of swing, groove , blues and even improvised lines seem to have been swapped for tone production. Maybe another musician whose links with jazz will seem more remote with the passage of time.

[Serial_Apologist]

Calum

I did see Garbarek / Hilliard at Salisbury Cathedral about 10 years ago and the impact of the music and the architecture combined was hugely memorable. The way the sound resonated around the cathedral was amazing and gave the impression that the room inside the cathedral was almost another instrument itself. The overall result was pretty powerful .

I did see Nana Vasconcelos achieve similar, deploying voice, berimbau and Bristol Cathedral to amazing effect as one big echo chamber. The David Murray Quartet which followed on as the main event, on the contrary, took no account of acoustics, and the result was a muddled, indistinguishable mush.

This whole area of jazz in churches and cathedrals, let alone the recording thereof, almost calls for a thread subject in its own right.

[Old Grumpy]

I did see Nana Vascolcelos achieve similar, deploying voice, berimbau and Bristol Cathedral to amazing effect as one big echo chamber. The David Murray Quartet which followed on as the main event, on the contrary, took no account of acoustics, and the result was a muddled, indistinguishable mush.

This whole area of jazz in churches and cathedrals, let alone the recording thereof, almost calls for a thread subject in its own right.

Agreed - but we could start here!

Acoustic Triangle in Hexham Abbey - heard on two occasions - excellent. I also heard the Hilliards and Garbarek in Durham cathedral and would echo previous comments on this board in regard to the contribution of the building to the overall experience. The acoustic was, of course, very much taken into account by the original composers of the music played.

OG

[Lateralthinking1]

Hey, TF, FM isn't on The Royal Scam. But the original of this is -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDvKJTYuR9k&feature=related

[Tenor Freak]

Thanks for that link Lat...nice gospel-tinged version of one of my favourite Dan songs (relatively speaking because I love nearly all of them)

[Serial_Apologist]

Thanks for that link Lat...nice gospel-tinged version of one of my favourite Dan songs (relatively speaking because I love nearly all of them)

Thanks for starting this thread TF

Just managed to catch up - this was always my favourite Steely Dan number back in '73 when I was listening: really an extended minor modal blues I s'pose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgYuLsudaJQ

[Tom Adustus]

Now that Alyn is running the show I thought I'd request some Steely Dan.

They snuck in some heavy jazz elements in their old LPs, and I have a couple of candidates which I think fit the bill.

Here's #1 - this is basically bebop:
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Interesting until the pop singer started. Then I hit the stop button. Nope, this confirmed my long held view that they're a pop outfit who use a bit of jazz for effect.

[grippie]

This is as close as I like to get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39o2QpnM-y8

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

a little closer i think

[burning dog]

GadSir!

I'd even go as far as the new fangled 'headache music'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-9uuWGBag

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

steady, burning dog, steady lad ... that's chinese music .....

some of the Dan's finest work ...

wait for the guitar solo ...ooooooohhhhhh