The story of jazz - the eighties, nineties and noughties

[MrGongGong]

Having a DJ with turntables just seems to get in the way of the other instruments in a jazz ensemble, and the language of the music has evolved without needing samples.
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Hummmm

I'm no jazzer BUT I always thought that the language of jazz is stuffed full of samples and quotations ? I remember hearing Mornington Locket's degree recital in the 1980's where he had found out what particular Schoenberg pieces the external examiner had written about in his Phd and then slipped in fragments of the same pieces into the relentless bebop that he was playing.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

sample? quotation? discuss!

[burning dog]

Jazz is 'dead' but so is rock soul etc. Bruce are you happy with that IDM thing (not the music, what it's called)? I like a fair bit of DDM myself

[charles t]

burning dog: Thought you might show up. Just posted ystd'y re: Doubt - Never Pet A Burning Dog....(Best of 2011 thread)


[I][T] If you pet an animal, child, etc., you touch them gently and kindly with your hands
Our dog loves to be petted and tickled behind the ears.

• [I]
informal If two people are petting, they are kissing and touching each other in a sexual way.
See also: heavy petting

SURVEY SAYS:

(to be determined)...

[burning dog]

survey says:

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a turkey

[burning dog]

Calum's ppst effectively sums in up. I totally agree with this. There is almost a case for the "ground rules" being established for jazz between 1917 and 1970 and that this effectively produced the canvas upon which the jazz musicians of the last 30 years could experiment.

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I thikn that's how it's turned out Ian.

Nothing against "the groove" myself but some of most unsuitable people took it up. Plonking post bop on top of a groove has never worked even more so when the players can't really "groove" at all. It makes me think of Carol Thatcher at a rave. EST are the Euro disco of jazz. As for "Jazz with a rock attiutude" What does that mean? Pretend to be working class, sneer a lot, then buy a farm and become a Classic Fm DJ?

[Tenor Freak]

Hummmm

I'm no jazzer BUT I always thought that the language of jazz is stuffed full of samples and quotations ? I remember hearing Mornington Locket's degree recital in the 1980's where he had found out what particular Schoenberg pieces the external examiner had written about in his Phd and then slipped in fragments of the same pieces into the relentless bebop that he was playing.

Very funny! This is more the kind of thing I was thinking of... {NB: Not Jass}

[Tenor Freak]

Jazz is 'dead' but so is rock soul etc. Bruce are you happy with that IDM thing (not the music, what it's called)? I like a fair bit of DDM myself

IDM is a shite name, I know. Call it anything.

[Tenor Freak]

Couldn't resist another...listen out at 2.22 for superb use of a sample:

[Tenor Freak]

Alright, couldn't resist this one either...

[Tenor Freak]

...but sounds even better to me when reversed....

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

play em both at once why doncha .......