...now that's jazz ....

[barber olly]

Two Shots Of Happy - One Shot Of Sad... cover of Bono tune sung by Canadian Matt Dusk - will stick in your heads...so better scroll back to Louie afterwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60vps0QCbNU&feature=fvsr

At least you spared us Bono's whining voice.

[barber olly]

more waiting for the tune to start

these tracks are tuneful

the tune starts this and then nothing happens for ever and ever ...

Compared to Peterson and Garner from the same era I was never convinced by Garner, Lee cut some very good tracks however.

[John Wright]

Is this now a 'good' jazz thread?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

nope it's the good the bad and the schmaltzy .....

[charles t]

Jonas Kullhammar. For some reason the title of the video doesn't come up until you start playing it.

I'd originally planned to include this clip of him in slightly rowdier mood, but it doesn't let you embed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMnnJEwUbc .

Very glad to see you hunt this one by Jonas Kullhammar down for us, Byas'd. You're right...I have all those boxed sets including where the Jonas K Group is dressed a la Genghis Khan(s).

[Ian Thumwood]

Calum

Wondered if you played the Robbie Williams' track for it's full duration? The reason I ask is because I would have made the same conclusion as yourself up until the point that I pressed "play." The track is not jazz and it is clear that William's has taken his cue from Sinatra but . other than a brief wobble, his sense of timing and phrasing it not at all bad. I believe that he actually cut his teeth performing this kind of material on the road with his afther when he was a teenager. Whilst I grant you that he is no Sinatra, do you really think this perormance is so bad? It is infinately better than Rod Stweart's feeble attempt in this oeuvre.

What interests me is that most people on this board will either look at these selections from a point of view of being "good jazz", an attempt by a seasoned and respected jazz musician to make something commercial or in relation to their tastes in popular music. This is fascinating as you will get no consensus as soon as you deviate too far from jazz where the perceptions will be pretty uniform. Take the George Shearing tracks. I don't like the easy listening element in these performances and they are too far away from the kind of work of his that I do appreciate for me to find much within them. I don't feel these Shearing perfomances are much worse than the Williams' track you selected albeit I wouldn't say the same about his bebop and later work especially with Grappelli.

What is apparent is how the different generations view this music. I would be of the same opinion as you with the "serious" jazz selections, but I don't feel the same about the "schmaltzy" stuff - i can't stand it to be honest. Not only does it seem corny but it is also hopelessly old-fashioned. I would struggle to differentiate between schmalt and bad stuff. On the other hand, I would suggest that the more modern recordings will be viewed by the older members here as being nowhere as good as the originals.

What is fascinating is that very few modern musicians seem to get involved in "schmaltz." The onyl stuff in my collection anywhere near this is a record I have by Diana Krall where the orchestra behind her plays John Clayton charts amongst others.

Here is my selection:-

1. Good

2. Schmaltz / commercial:-

3. Bad (Parental guidance.) ~ Believe me, this is bad but not in the Michael Jackson sense of the word!

[Serial_Apologist]

Calum

Wondered if you played the Robbie Williams' track for it's full duration? The reason I ask is because I would have made the same conclusion as yourself up until the point that I pressed "play." The track is not jazz and it is clear that William's has taken his cue from Sinatra but . other than a brief wobble, his sense of timing and phrasing it not at all bad. I believe that he actually cut his teeth performing this kind of material on the road with his afther when he was a teenager. Whilst I grant you that he is no Sinatra, do you really think this perormance is so bad? It is infinately better than Rod Stweart's feeble attempt in this oeuvre.

What interests me is that most people on this board will either look at these selections from a point of view of being "good jazz", an attempt by a seasoned and respected jazz musician to make something commercial or in relation to their tastes in popular music. This is fascinating as you will get no consensus as soon as you deviate too far from jazz where the perceptions will be pretty uniform. Take the George Shearing tracks. I don't like the easy listening element in these performances and they are too far away from the kind of work of his that I do appreciate for me to find much within them. I don't feel these Shearing perfomances are much worse than the Williams' track you selected albeit I wouldn't say the same about his bebop and later work especially with Grappelli.

What is apparent is how the different generations view this music. I would be of the same opinion as you with the "serious" jazz selections, but I don't feel the same about the "schmaltzy" stuff - i can't stand it to be honest. Not only does it seem corny but it is also hopelessly old-fashioned. I would struggle to differentiate between schmalt and bad stuff. On the other hand, I would suggest that the more modern recordings will be viewed by the older members here as being nowhere as good as the originals.

What is fascinating is that very few modern musicians seem to get involved in "schmaltz." The onyl stuff in my collection anywhere near this is a record I have by Diana Krall where the orchestra behind her plays John Clayton charts amongst others.

Here is my selection:-

1. Good


2. Schmaltz / commercial:-


3. Bad (Parental guidance.) ~ Believe me, this is bad but not in the Michael Jackson sense of the word!

I don't see anything in common between these three clips or bases for comparison.

Right now: since it's season, for my next question, define the difference in taste between a satsuma, a tangerine, and an ordinary orange, giving reasons.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

medium small and large .... why ... because i said so ...

[Ian Thumwood]

SA

You missed out Clementine!!

Ok, let's lighten things up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is the trumpet soloist on this track?

Great jazz, schaltz or rubbish?

[Serial_Apologist]

SA

You missed out Clementine!!

Ok, let's lighten things up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is the trumpet soloist on this track?

Great jazz, schaltz or rubbish?

O, my darling Clementine!

Nope - give up - Henry Lowther? Could be just about anybody. (Sorry, Henry or whoever you are). Wish you'd told me at what point the trumpet solo came in so I didn't have to endure the rest, Ian!

[Tenor Freak]

Good:

Schmaltz:

Bad as in bad meaning bad not bad meaning good:

YMMV, obviously.

[Ian Thumwood]

SA

The trumpeter on that track was actually Freddie Hubbard~ must admit that I was really staggered by that.

Ian

[old khayyam]

SA

The trumpeter on that track was actually Freddie Hubbard~ must admit that I was really staggered by that.

FH has done a lot of sub-standard session work, but some of his solo outings have been quite good, to the point of sounding like MilesDavis playing on an album by HerbieHancock, if memory serves.

[Ian Thumwood]

Resurrecting this old thread as it seems most appropriate to post a link this music which is definately pop but eschews schamltz for something which is almost akin to music for a piece of film noire. I had never heard of this artist or tune until I went to the gym tonight (less chance of falling off than on my bicycle) but check out this track "Video Games." The girl has a very distinctive voice too and the orchestration behind makes a pleasant change from the usual fair. Can't recall hearing a new pop tune that has made a bigger impression on me for years. Click on the option for the aforementioned track:-

http://lanadelrey.com/

[Serial_Apologist]

Resurrecting this old thread as it seems most appropriate to post a link this music which is definately pop but eschews schamltz for something which is almost akin to music for a piece of film noire. I had never heard of this artist or tune until I went to the gym tonight (less chance of falling off than on my bicycle) but check out this track "Video Games." The girl has a very distinctive voice too and the orchestration behind makes a pleasant change from the usual fair. Can't recall hearing a new pop tune that has made a bigger impression on me for years. Click on the option for the aforementioned track:-



http://lanadelrey.com/

Go on, admit it, Ian - you've got the hots for her!