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  • Ian Thumwood
    Full Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 4223

    #16
    Calum

    I agree entirely with your sentiments. Jazz has become increasingly marginalised on the radio but i think the negativity felt about "Jazz on 3" isn't as widespread as this board would suggest. Several friends that I have in the "jazz community" are regular listeners and one friend in particular has stated that it is by far the best programme on the radio as it gives an airing to what is happening in the current scene. In my opinion, jazz should be given a platform that mirrors Classical music and it is certainly worthy of serious debate and discussion.

    My grumble would be that the coverage of jazz needs to be representative of the whole oeuvre. By this, I would expect to be able to hear 1920's acoustic recordings right through to contemporary styles of jazz. The problem with "Jazz on 3" is that is seems to search out the radical and different and therefore misses the more typical kind of developments in the music. I feel a lot of the newer names in the European scene are good musicians but the results of their endeavours seldom seems to be maintaining the kind of standard that i feel is attained from the Black-Afro-American tradition from which the music evolved. It is curious to read John Wright's comments on this thread for although I don't agree with his assessment of post-1940's jazz, I do feel that "Jazz on 3" often focuses on artists who seem in denial about jazz's origins.
    The fact that the programmes are now all on so late and that "listen again" is only an option if you have the time to sit at a computer as opposed to having a radio on in the background probably reflects the changing nature of media. It is not a development I welcome but was curious to read a comment by (I think) Chaka Khan over the weekend which suggested that the diminishing power of record companies , etc that has come with the evolution of the internet will actually prove to be a good thing for music because the medium makes the music far easier to be made available. It will be interesting to see how an organisation like the BBC will rise to the challenge.

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    • aka Calum Da Jazbo
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 9173

      #17
      ...good points Ian. but R3 as an internet based jazz offering is really poor relative to NPR or WMFU etc ... plus stuff on the French ARTE site ... and i do fully assert tyhat jazz is far more to listen to than diary programmes like JLU and Jon3 present whatever one makes of their competence ... we have lost File and Legends, and Library has been cut back and sidelined ....
      According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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      • Old Grumpy
        Full Member
        • Jan 2011
        • 3643

        #18
        I personally find most of Jo3's output "inaccessible" (not just because of the lateness of the hour at which it is broadcast) - but it doesn't mean I think it shouldn't be broadcast.

        I personally find the output on JLU much more to my taste - I do however miss its exclusion from the (now defunct - as referred to by FF in another post) Saturday afternoon "jazz zone". Jazz Library is similarly missed, as I tend to forget about it at its new broadcast time.

        OG

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30456

          #19
          Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
          Jazz Library is similarly missed, as I tend to forget about it at its new broadcast time.
          Sometimes R3 can be magnifique:


          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30456

            #20
            I've just had an email from a listener reporting the official response to her complaint about Jazz Library. It included:

            "We do try to balance the wishes of a large and diverse audience, many of whom believe jazz is well served by a late night slot." (Translation: "Sorry, sweetie, you're in a minority, so tough.")




            (She was also asked if she would participate in a MORI survey to gauge audience satisfaction, no, not about the radio output she was complaining about, oh, no, but about the way her complaint was handled. I have told her what I think.)
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • burning dog
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 1511

              #21
              I can just about accept the theory about late night jazz for Jon3, the R2 programme Sounds of Jazz that incorporated the old Jazz Club was a late night slot, but Jazz Library is in the stlye of the R3's Jazz File with an educational element.

              Perhaps R3 believe it's OK the play jazz for those who are already hooked but don't encourage access for the young and impressionable

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              • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                Late member
                • Nov 2010
                • 9173

                #22
                in our dreams eh ... a national arts foundation appoints a jazz man as a jazz advisor ..... why not have one for the BBC?
                According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                • Serial_Apologist
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37814

                  #23
                  Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
                  in our dreams eh ... a national arts foundation appoints a jazz man as a jazz advisor ..... why not have one for the BBC?
                  He or she would ask for too high a salary? UNlikely!

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                  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 9173

                    #24
                    nah they have loadsa high salaries in AUNT .....
                    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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