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  • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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    • Dec 2010
    • 4329

    ART PEPPER (Downbeat interview 1964):

    “You listen to Coltrane,” he argued, “on that spiritual he recorded, and it’s the most beautiful thing in the world. As far as anybody knowing how to play a saxophone, all you have to do is go back to his old recordings. I don’t see how anyone, including Bird, could possibly run through changes the way Coltrane did on that record. He’s just a master on the instrument.” The performance Pepper referred to is “Spiritual,”...“When he does things that sound ‘ugly,’” Pepper continued, “he may make just a squall, or just a double-octave sound or something. It’s just an emotional thing; it’s not meant to be pretty. If he wanted to play pretty—that is, if he had a ‘pretty’ emotion going—he would play pretty. But he doesn’t play that way; he feels emotional.

    “It’s a thing of the times. You’re ridding yourself of frustration, of hatred, suppression, every other thing. It’s just complete freedom of expression.”

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    I always thought (and continue to find) that Art Pepper's OWN late period playing was kind of "spiritual" (that intensity and total honesty) , somewhat ironic from the most "unspiritual" of lifestyles.

    CK/out "Lost Life" from Living Legend (1976) with Hamp Hawes, Haden and Shelly Manne.

    BN.

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    • old khayyam

      Originally posted by Pilchardman View Post
      Transcend is a different word to transcendental.


      However, I like the way you talk there, PM. Far from flippant. In fact quite studious and earnest.

      But can we just forget that i flippantly used the term "good time jazz" which i have already explained

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      • Pilchardman

        OK.

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        • old khayyam

          Originally posted by Pilchardman View Post
          the simple act of making music is spiritual, in the sense that it taps into our species being, and satisfies a deep need
          In fact i'd go further to say that the above is the best quote i've seen on this forum, from my point of view. You're talking my language there

          But anyway..

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          • Pilchardman

            Thank you.

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            • charles t
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              • Nov 2010
              • 592

              Originally posted by Pilchardman View Post
              I don't like Garbrek, or the New Age drivel I hold him responsible for. To me Garbrek (and even worse, his followers) have no substance. Trane, Ornette, Albert Ayler, etc had substance. In truckloads.
              PM: Time to get Nude Ants in yr pants...



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              • Pilchardman

                Originally posted by charles t View Post
                PM: Time to get Nude Ants in yr pants...
                Any particular reason?

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                • eighthobstruction
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 6455

                  Bear in mind that Charles is 'a number that is not the root of any polynomial with rational coefficients'....and he does not have his first cup of coffee until about 1400hrs our time....he is also partial to cormorants....
                  bong ching

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                  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 9173

                    where are yer pants ...

                    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                    • eighthobstruction
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 6455

                      Noodling....
                      bong ching

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                      • charles t
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 592

                        eight-0 & calum: First great to see the numbered one (pun) here again!

                        Have you ever seen those ebony-black Starbucks' beans glisten in the dawn?

                        that is not the root of rational any...ting (sp).

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                        • Pilchardman

                          Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo View Post
                          where are yer pants ...

                          That makes me nauseous. I could tell exactly when the ride cymbal was coming in, then the sax. It reminded me of the melancholy bit in 70s American sitcoms, just before everyone hugs. I couldn't last 'til the end of the track, I'm afraid.

                          It's even worse than I feared.

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                          • Ian Thumwood
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                            • Dec 2010
                            • 4279

                            Garbarek's work with Keith Jarrett isa one of the high points in jazz in the 1970's and it was a shame that the rot that started to set in by the mid 80's grew to such an extent that JG's work now has nothing or little to do with jazz. Garbarek also made some potent contributions to other people's records like Gary Peacocks austere "Guamba" or Stanko's "Paradigm" and I would dispute that this work lacked substance albeit the "New Age" stuff is pretty rank and gets worse with the passage of time.

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                            • charles t
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 592

                              Speaking of 1970's American sit-coms within the context of the Keith Jarrett European Quartet connects two ideologies I had never considered...

                              Just think, Calum...that same walk we shared on Sunset - on the way to Amoeba Music - was the scene of that random shooting escapade last week...including a fatality of a music producer probably on his way to work.

                              Words fail...

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                              • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                                Late member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 9173

                                jeez chas .... random shootings .... great little walk though ....


                                but is the dialectic transcendental ....?
                                According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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