Ronnie's - new documentary in the offing

**Old Grumpy** · 10-02-22, 18:50

Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

There have been a few in the past, but the trailer suggests this might be good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkWvCZ5yvFo

Comments underneath the YouTube suggest this was on the Beeb. Is it to be re-shown, or have I missed something?

**Jazzrook** · 10-02-22, 20:33

Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post

Comments underneath the YouTube suggest this was on the Beeb. Is it to be re-shown, or have I missed something?

I'm sure this was shown on BBC4 on November 15, 2020 & April 30, 2021.

JR

**Old Grumpy** · 10-02-22, 22:32

Originally posted by Jazzrook View Post

I'm sure this was shown on BBC4 on November 15, 2020 & April 30, 2021.

JR

Possibly also shown in selected cinemas in 2020. Review of Newcastle showing here: https://lance-bebopspokenhere.blogsp...inema-oct.html

See also: http://olliemurray.com/portfolio/ronnies

**Serial_Apologist** · 10-02-22, 22:53

After watching the trailer, which included a lot of split screen stuff presumably in the actual fillum, my sequencing then went straight onto a documentary on Ronnie's that I had seen, which from memory was transmitted back in the early 1990s.

**Ian Thumwood** · 12-02-22, 21:18

i think this documentary has been on before. My immediate reaction to this thread was not another Ronnie Scott documentary as surely there can be nothing else new to say. Whilst I concur that the British jazz scene of the 1950s and60s was paramount to establishing original jazz talent in this country, the jazz scene in the 70s and 80s could seriously dowith re-appraisal. I am sure that the London was not the only place where jazz was played in the UK albeit these documentary matking would make your believe it was limited to London. For example, I know that there has been a vibrant jazz scene in Southapotn since the 1960s and that this was probably assisted by the cross Atlantic liners which ensured that Southampton was the first port of call for AMerican jazz musicians until airliners tookover. It would nice to think that documentary makers could come up with fresh ideas for new films about jazz.

**Tenor Freak** · 14-02-22, 22:23

Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post

i think this documentary has been on before. My immediate reaction to this thread was not another Ronnie Scott documentary as surely there can be nothing else new to say. Whilst I concur that the British jazz scene of the 1950s and60s was paramount to establishing original jazz talent in this country, the jazz scene in the 70s and 80s could seriously dowith re-appraisal. I am sure that the London was not the only place where jazz was played in the UK albeit these documentary matking would make your believe it was limited to London. For example, I know that there has been a vibrant jazz scene in Southapotn since the 1960s and that this was probably assisted by the cross Atlantic liners which ensured that Southampton was the first port of call for AMerican jazz musicians until airliners tookover. It would nice to think that documentary makers could come up with fresh ideas for new films about jazz.

It seems that all the main ports with Atlantic connections had first dibs on American R&B/Blues/Jazz arriving in the UK. It would explain why Liverpool emerged as a centre for beat music; Glasgow had a sizeable scene itself and produced the Average White Band who began by backing visiting African American singers. I wonder why Southampton didn't do the same?

**Ian Thumwood** · 15-02-22, 18:22

Bruce

Certainly up until the 1990s the jazz scene in Southampton was really vibrant. There was an axtive jazz society which promoted a lot of stuff as well as jam sessions and workshops, That seems to have really tailed off. However, the Turner Sims still puts on a lot of good music whilst the Concorde club is one of the longest running Jazz Clubs on the country. Unfortuantely, it seems to give tribute acts the priority even if in the 2000s there was still some good jazz to be heard there. (The problem is that the audience always talks over the music and is largely full of retired people as opposed to genuine jazz fans.)

I think the heyday was in the 1950s and 60s. Loads of American musicians had made Southampton the first stop in the UK since Elllington in the1930s but star attractions have made the city a stop for nearly seventy years now. In the 1990s you could regularly hear jazz in many of the pubs in town . I would regularly go to hear my piano teacher's trio and he wold often have musician friends come by and sit in. Sometimes there were different bands playing next door.

Not been into Southampton much for ages. The Joiners used to be the go-to pub for jazz but I think it's location in the wrong part of town put some people off. Certainly, it was better when gigs more to the university.