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**Serial_Apologist** · 08-05-21, 17:18

When Shirley Tetteh called up "What Reason Can I Give?" from Ornette's "Science Fiction" album a few minutes ago, I just wanted to leap through the speakers and give her a hug! How many people even know of this LP? I had it once - no idea what became of it. Also, I really should get that Joni album with Herbie, Wayne, Dave Holland etc. I could then say, there's one person on that record that I've spoken to: Mr Holland. There's a thread topic coming to mind: what is the first thing one manages to say to a great artist, on that first occasion when one meets them? Whatever it is is usually pretty naff in my case. On second thoughts, perhaps not such a good idea.

**BLUESNIK'S REVOX** · 09-05-21, 14:31

Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

When Shirley Tetteh called up "What Reason Can I Give?" from Ornette's "Science Fiction" album a few minutes ago, I just wanted to leap through the speakers and give her a hug! How many people even know of this LP? I had it once - no idea what became of it. Also, I really should get that Joni album with Herbie, Wayne, Dave Holland etc. I could then say, there's one person on that record that I've spoken to: Mr Holland. There's a thread topic coming to mind: what is the first thing one manages to say to a great artist, on that first occasion when one meets them? Whatever it is is usually pretty naff in my case. On second thoughts, perhaps not such a good idea.

I had that Joni Mitchell album and gave it away. Joni channels Julie London (she admits her huge admiration), which is fine but I'd much prefer the original in that context. And on first meeting a great artist, I met Little Richard after a concert in 1963, top of the bill, with the Stones first act filler. We said something like "brilliant show Richard", he responded "yes but do you boys think I'm the most handsome man you've ever seen?" We mumbled naively, "spose so". No idea of Richard's various gender takes!

**Serial_Apologist** · 09-05-21, 15:55

Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post

I had that Joni Mitchell album and gave it away. Joni channels Julie London (she admits her huge admiration), which is fine but I'd much prefer the original in that context. And on first meeting a great artist, I met Little Richard after a concert in 1963, top of the bill, with the Stones first act filler. We said something like "brilliant show Richard", he responded "yes but do you boys think I'm the most handsome man you've ever seen?" We mumbled naively, "spose so". No idea of Richard's various gender takes!

Unless I've misunderstood, I thought it was well known that Little Richard was gay?

Now, this is a strange one - and, believe me, I didn't suggest this as a thread leader - but meeting Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis was one of the very few occasions when I have experienced second sight of some sort. There are about half a dozen in all. This would have been around 1980/81. Lockjaw had just done a gig in a Bristol hotel, playing fine but exhibiting that dour demeanour one learned could be typical of the man; neither the local band nor audience showed any disposition to approach him. I was on quite good terms with the organiser, and hung around after most had gone home. Lockjaw went up to the bar, as then did I. How much the fact that the barman came straight to me first had any significance I don't know, but I turned to Lockjaw, and said, "What will it be?" He ummed for a moment, and I piped up with "Rum with milk?" "Yeah man! How did you know that was my drink?" D'you know, I had and have no idea! It might be suggested that I had read it somewhere, which is just about possible, but I'm quite sure not, not being particularly interested, or interested enough to have registered such a detail.

BTW another fantastic Ngozi track heard today.

**BLUESNIK'S REVOX** · 09-05-21, 16:34

Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

Unless I've misunderstood, I thought it was well known that Little Richard was gay?

Now, this is a strange one - and, believe me, I didn't suggest this as a thread leader - but meeting Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis was one of the very few occasions when I have experienced second sight of some sort. There are about half a dozen in all. This would have been around 1980/81. Lockjaw had just done a gig in a Bristol hotel, playing fine but exhibiting that dour demeanour one learned could be typical of the man; neither the local band nor audience showed any disposition to approach him. I was on quite good terms with the organiser, and hung around after most had gone home. Lockjaw went up to the bar, as then did I. How much the fact that the barman came straight to me first had any significance I don't know, but I turned to Lockjaw, and said, "What will it be?" He ummed for a moment, and I piped up with "Rum with milk?" "Yeah man! How did you know that was my drink?" D'you know, I had and have no idea! It might be suggested that I had read it somewhere, which is just about possible, but I'm quite sure not, not being particularly interested, or interested enough to have registered such a detail.

BTW another fantastic Ngozi track heard today.

I bought Stan Tracey a drink and it was "triple vodka"! And the same for the rest of the quartet..just as well I could claim it back on expenses! As for Little Richard, I confess that in 1960/63 we/us had no idea he was gay or more accurately bisexual. He was the "wild man of Rock an Roll. He was also as camp as a row of scout tents as the phrase goes but a brilliant live performer and very friendly. Sitting in a Cardiff theatre carpark, hanging out the rear window of a white Chevrolet hired especially for his tour. Tom Jones apparently kissed his shoes!

**Ian Thumwood** · 09-05-21, 18:37

I think that most jazz musicians are totally bored of being approached by fans. Although I have been going to gigs regularly since about 1985, I would have to say that I have hardly ever spoken to any of the musicians I went to hear perform. I do not want a musician's personality to impinge on the impression of their music so I tend to stay clear.

I think I have met more musicians through workshops and the musicians you encounter can be a mixed bunch. When I went to Wavendon, the teacher l liked the most was Simon Purcell and I though he was amongst the most personable music people I have encountered. I also really liked Don Rendell and Bill Le Sage who were both very funny. I can remember the former reducing a woman to tears with one of his jokes that he was always making. Digby Fairweather was also on the course and I got on well with him once he realised that I was a pupil of Monty Worlock who was a mutual friend. More recently, I enjoyed a workshop held by saxophonist Derek Nash which was informative.

Conversely, I have been to other workshops and come away with a very negative impression of some musicians. Kenny Werner was drunk during the workshop I went to and continually used bad language and sexual comments in front of kids. This is something that I think is unacceptable. I was totally shocked to by his behaviour and he was subsequently barred from any other workshops organised by the jazz festival as a consequence. The strange thing was that other musicians told me he was a really spiritual bloke and an excellent "vision" about playing jazz which came out of Buddhist thought and that it would be a very interesting and rewarding experience. Probably the worst behaviour I have witnessed by a musician. Got to say that I had the same negative impression of Tigran Hamasyan who was lacking in social skills and was so far up his own a##e that it was amazing he could reach the keyboard. He tended to wind up a lot of the other lecturers on the course too.

On the flip side, there are plenty of other musicians who I have met and found extremely agreeable. The best two I would say were bassist Denis Irwin (really interested in what music and instrument you were in to) and Stanley Cowell who was extremely relaxed and personable. You could also add Frank Kimbrough, Ben Allison, Mike Brecker, Peter Erskine, George Russell, Jay McShann (I think he would have had loads of stories to tell and was very interesting) , Ashley Henry, etc. Uri Caine is extremely knowledgeable about all types of music and very good conversation. There are some musicians who I think are genuine characters. Nikki Yeoh is very funny. About 30 years ago I approached John Surman after a Southampton gig and asked him to sign my copy of Bach's first book of P &F's as I read he was a fan of this composer. He laughed and said he couldn't sign this as Bach was such a great composer. I convinced him to sign it and he wrote "Enjoy this real music." JS is one of jazz's good blokes.

**Quarky** · 09-05-21, 22:18

Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

12midnight - Freeness
Corey Mwamba presents highlights from jazz drummer Gerald Cleaver's latest album of electronic music, Griots, which harks back to the history of his hometown of Detroit, the birthplace of techno*. Plus a formidable duo comprising Alan Wilkinson's fragmented bass clarinet melodies and the percussive acoustic guitar of Belgian ambient musician Dirk Serries (aka Vidna Obmana).

*techno - or (as I think) Techno? Answers to this perpetual conundrum would be welcome.

"Always worth a listen this great programme features music from the fringes enthusiastically presented by Corey" says Alan via email, the title of whose album is One in the Eye.

BBC Radio 3 - Freeness, Modular Electronics and Avant-Soul

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000vwp6

Corey presents a selection from Gerald Cleaver’s latest album of electronic music, Griots.

Wikipedia goes into this issue in great detail, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno

capital T at the beginning of a sentence is the only rule I can make out. however, Frankfurt might have a claim to "techno".

**Old Grumpy** · 10-05-21, 09:58

"Kinch Hip"...

... just got it. Bit slow this week

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**Serial_Apologist** · 10-05-21, 13:14

Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post

"Kinch Hip"...

... just got it. Bit slow this week

!

It's probably that Monday morning feeling!

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