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  • Ian Thumwood
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    • Dec 2010
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    The kids are alright

    Just bought a couple of CD's by some new names having been inspired by earlier purchases and reading reviews on other websites.

    The first disc is by trumpeter Ambrose Akinmusire and represents his debut for Blue Note. i've been listening to this record this afternoon and would have to repeat my enthusiasm for this musician having previously really appreciated his work on the latest Walter Smith III record. Here, the favour is returned and the tenor saxophonist is featured in a quintet that also features another young player I have been very impressed by, pianist Gerald Clayton .I think ""When the heart emerges glistening" is probably one of those records which will give up it's treasures with repeated listening. The musicianship from these 20-something players is exceptional and Akinmusire and Smith seem to be joined at the hip such is their affinity with each other. This will certainly be in the running when it comes to the best CD's of 2011.This is a record that is locked very much into the jazz tradition but sounds thoroughly contemporary and uncompromising. If you heard the reent session the band did on Jazz on 3, you will know what to expect.

    Even more curious is singer "Gretchen Parlato's "The lost and found" which was not at all what I expected. I was really disappointed to miss her set at Vienne this year having been soaked through to the skin at a Chick Corea gig and had to go back to the hotel to get out of my wet clothes. The intensity of the storm made it impossible to return to hear her band play and I can't imagine many people turned up because of the almost tropical storm drenching everyone who set foot outdoors within 30 seconds. Hailed at the most important jazz singer to emerge since Cassandra Wilson, I was really amazed by the intimate quality of her voice. The record was produced by pianist Robert Glasper and music has an almost pop-sensibility but is coupled with a desire to play in a contemporary jazz setting. The opening "Holding back the years" is re-worked in a fashion that is far, far more savvy than the original "Simply Red" version whereas something like Wayne Shorter's "Juju" sounds like the saxophonist's current quartet plus singer. A version of "Blue in Green" makes only passing reference to Evans' minimal theme and is almost unrecognisable in this uncompromising arrangement. This website has seen numerous arguments over who is or who isn't a jazz singer. Parlato's record offers an interesting take as the packing trio with Taylor Eigsti on piano offers an defininative, contemporary jazz sound whereas the vocals are a million miles away from the likes of Wilson, Winstone or Reeves. It is a fascinating record - obviously tipping it's hat towards pop but equally remaining in an uncompromising jazz environment. This is not cross-over as per Jamie Cullum, Madelaine Peyroux or Dianne Krall and sticks a defiant middle finger up at the retro-swing genre. I suppose it is best summed up as applying vocals to the current, fashionable trends in the more hardcore jazz performed by the likes of Glasper, Greald Clayton, JD Allen, Esperanza Spalding, Akinmusire (whose tune "Henya" features on both of these records) ,etc who are honest enough to acknowledge the influence of popular musics outside of jazz.

    With a increasing number of 20/30 - something artists now appearing on the scene fully feldged, these two records seem to afford the observation that this resurgance is almost a new movement in jazz.
  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
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    #2
    I never liked Cassandra Wilson. I don't like singers who growl. Eartha Kitt was another.

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    • Ian Thumwood
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      • Dec 2010
      • 4261

      #3
      Cassandra Wilson is an amazing singer with an incredible range but Parlato is nothing like her who is probably more akin to someone like Shiela Jordan insofar that she has a much lighter voice. If you visit her site, you can get a better graps of what I am trying to explain:-

      Home page of gretchen parlato, a jazz artist from Los Angeles. Gretchen Parlato - award-winning jazz & world music vocalist, 3x Grammy Awards Nominee, winner of the 2004 thelonious monk jazz vocals competition, #1 Female Vocalist JazzTimes Critics Poll an


      Almost certain not to appeal to the majority of people posting here!

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      • Byas'd Opinion

        #4
        I haven't heard her albums, but I heard Gretchen Parlato live at this year's Glasgow Jazz Festival. She's a proper improvising jazz musician whose instrument just happens to be her voice. I'm not sure how much I like the actual sound of her voice - there's a whispery Astrid Gilberto-like quality to it which struck me as bit affected, but she uses it very well. She was helped by having a great trio behind her - again, proper jazz musicians, not just super-competent session musician types.

        A couple of reviews:
        Glasgow Jazz Festival 2011 Tron Theatre, Saturday 2nd July The first thing to be said about Gretchen Parlato’s performance at the Tron is: what a great band she has! They’re not just ub…

        http://www.heraldscotland.com/arts-e...atre-1.1110006 (You can get round the requirement to sign in by hitting the reload and stop buttons on your browser in quick succession).

        Another young American musician I've been very impressed by is trumpeter Jason Palmer. He's been here a couple of times as a member of Michael Janisch's bands.
        Wally's Cafe snippet with The Jason Palmer Collective performing: Jason Palmer, trumpet; Greg Duncan, guitar; Dan Carpel, bass; and Lee Fish, drums

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        • Ian Thumwood
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          • Dec 2010
          • 4261

          #5
          Byas

          A fair assessment although I can't see Parlato switching to a more popularist agenda. She's also appeared on David Binney's "Graylen Epicentre" record (not heard it) earlier this year but this would suggest that she may be more likely to plunge into the more challanging aspects of jazz. Granted that someone like Jane Monheit gravitated to a more popularist approach after producing some good jazz records early on, as you state she has a small voice which doesn't seem suited to a commercial recasting. She's definatetly jazz but the jazz of the 21st Century and without connections to the standard repertoire. The "Simply Red" cover is actually pretty good - have to differ with you there. Shame that the obnoxious, fat, ginger Manc will pick up the royalties. I agree that her band are good though. Don't know were these great players keep coming from.

          Will have to check out Jason Palmer.

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          • Serial_Apologist
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            • Dec 2010
            • 37882

            #6
            Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
            Cassandra Wilson is an amazing singer with an incredible range but Parlato is nothing like her who is probably more akin to someone like Shiela Jordan insofar that she has a much lighter voice. If you visit her site, you can get a better graps of what I am trying to explain:-

            Home page of gretchen parlato, a jazz artist from Los Angeles. Gretchen Parlato - award-winning jazz & world music vocalist, 3x Grammy Awards Nominee, winner of the 2004 thelonious monk jazz vocals competition, #1 Female Vocalist JazzTimes Critics Poll an


            Almost certain not to appeal to the majority of people posting here!
            Thanks Ian - yes, the Astrud Gilberto comparison is very apt - kinda nasalised. She's O...KAY

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            • hackneyvi

              #7
              Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
              Cassandra Wilson is an amazing singer ... If you visit her site, you can get a better graps of what I am trying to explain
              When you aksed him nice likes, he did.

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              • Ian Thumwood
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                • Dec 2010
                • 4261

                #8
                The Gilberto comparison is a fair one to make but I think she is operating in a more demanding kind of sphere of music. The point about rhythm is a good one too as it is noticeable how the sense of swing has changed dramatically from the way drummers were sensing things even as recent as the late 90's. This is true of the Akinmusire disc as well as with the Gerald Clayton record I have and the way Glasper's trio worked when I saw them live earlier in the year. There are no hang-ups about having a vibe that is in tune with contemporary pop although the drumming demonstrates a complexity well beyond most commercial music. Even the notion is an abstract swing that you get with the likes of Brian Blade is missing. Players now seem to sense the pulse within the music differently .

                Akinmusire is a fascinating player with something new to say. He reminds me a lot of somene like Kenny Dorham yet this trumpeter's name is absent from the list of influences mentioned on the liner notes.

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                • handsomefortune

                  #9
                  more from gretchen parlato below. i really love the stuff she discusses within the comedy links below....shame she feels she can't re-wire her observations into her lyrics somehow ...? instead of more cliched sentiments.

                  Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


                  lindsey's listening lab listens to gretchen parlato's "the lost and found" with special guest, helen mckenzie.


                  at least gretchen parlato has some pertinent points to make about music, albeit via comedy ... love the comedy vid point, about celine dion especially; and aiming to 'startle the audience' is absolutely hilarious, so true of popular approaches. but since she's got a gsoh, a sense of irony .... it's unfortunately not evident in her singing persona.

                  > Players now seem to sense the pulse within the music differently . <

                  because people learn from what pc software can do with beats, rather than past reference points, and what humans played before.

                  astrud gilberto voice comparison is perhaps roughly true ... but only volume-wise imo.

                  i notice gretchen's mate, who also sings, (see woman being gretchen's singing pupil, in link above) sings with a brazillian style band, for instance, as well as doing pop. plus, parlato's duo with esparanza spalding, points to a brazillian theme. but imo, by contrast, there's none of astrud gilberto's peculiar emotional flatness, detachment? if anything, 'intimacy' is routinely delivered, usually with tinges of kermit the frog's drawl.

                  i don't personally care for cassandra wilson's singing either, .... but on gretchen's utube page, there are other similar contemporary singers, and vocal wise, they're all ok. it's just the personal choice of covers, and content that is possibly my main 'taste' problem. generally style/lyrics seem deeply conservative, taking absolutely no chances.

                  a bit 'affected'... i'll say! the 'simply red' cover is abysmal imo, and at any speed, or volume. perhaps a better choice of song from the ginger chap, was the fairground themed song... but then that's too upbeat for 2011 purveyors of the very finest fauxlove angst jazzpop. arguably, why ever choose 'simply red' songs initially? (smells a bit fishy)

                  glad you mentioned shiela jordan ian, as the lyrics in 'baltimore oriole' imo illustrate what a more intriguing song narrative can potentially do for any performer. 'baltimore oriole' is a unique story, full of visual imagery, sums up a time and place perfectly. shiela jordan doesn't need to do too much melodicly, over the sparse bass, other than tel the story, bend the odd straight note .... to brilliant dynamic effect. whereas comtemporary singing styles bend nearly every phrase end, so as to become thoroughly predictable. happily, we must nearly be done with this style now? nothing lasts forever stylisticly, but is cyclical. the same goes for the tinny, short snare sound, borrowed from pc-made hiphop, and which sometimes feels like song decoration, rather than being useful, functional, in keeping the band in time. still, i suppose the hollower snare beat is meant to compliment the pools of synthetic keyboard wash, and not steer too far away from mainstream sounds?

                  Sheila Jordan - Baltimore Oriolefrom albumBlue Note Trip - Lookin' Back, Movin' OnJazzanova mixin' the most fabulous blue note tunes!!


                  i'm wondering if parlato's gran might possibly be trying to make the same point, about song narrative ..... and might write some lyrics for gretchen to sing?

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                  • Serial_Apologist
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37882

                    #10
                    Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                    more from gretchen parlato below. i really love the stuff she discusses within the comedy links below....shame she feels she can't re-wire her observations into her lyrics somehow ...? instead of more cliched sentiments.

                    Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


                    lindsey's listening lab listens to gretchen parlato's "the lost and found" with special guest, helen mckenzie.


                    at least gretchen parlato has some pertinent points to make about music, albeit via comedy ... love the comedy vid point, about celine dion especially; and aiming to 'startle the audience' is absolutely hilarious, so true of popular approaches. but since she's got a gsoh, a sense of irony .... it's unfortunately not evident in her singing persona.

                    > Players now seem to sense the pulse within the music differently . <

                    because people learn from what pc software can do with beats, rather than past reference points, and what humans played before.

                    astrud gilberto voice comparison is perhaps roughly true ... but only volume-wise imo.

                    i notice gretchen's mate, who also sings, (see woman being gretchen's singing pupil, in link above) sings with a brazillian style band, for instance, as well as doing pop. plus, parlato's duo with esparanza spalding, points to a brazillian theme. but imo, by contrast, there's none of astrud gilberto's peculiar emotional flatness, detachment? if anything, 'intimacy' is routinely delivered, usually with tinges of kermit the frog's drawl.

                    i don't personally care for cassandra wilson's singing either, .... but on gretchen's utube page, there are other similar contemporary singers, and vocal wise, they're all ok. it's just the personal choice of covers, and content that is possibly my main 'taste' problem. generally style/lyrics seem deeply conservative, taking absolutely no chances.

                    a bit 'affected'... i'll say! the 'simply red' cover is abysmal imo, and at any speed, or volume. perhaps a better choice of song from the ginger chap, was the fairground themed song... but then that's too upbeat for 2011 purveyors of the very finest fauxlove angst jazzpop. arguably, why ever choose 'simply red' songs initially? (smells a bit fishy)

                    glad you mentioned shiela jordan ian, as the lyrics in 'baltimore oriole' imo illustrate what a more intriguing song narrative can potentially do for any performer. 'baltimore oriole' is a unique story, full of visual imagery, sums up a time and place perfectly. shiela jordan doesn't need to do too much melodicly, over the sparse bass, other than tel the story, bend the odd straight note .... to brilliant dynamic effect. whereas comtemporary singing styles bend nearly every phrase end, so as to become thoroughly predictable. happily, we must nearly be done with this style now? nothing lasts forever stylisticly, but is cyclical. the same goes for the tinny, short snare sound, borrowed from pc-made hiphop, and which sometimes feels like song decoration, rather than being useful, functional, in keeping the band in time. still, i suppose the hollower snare beat is meant to compliment the pools of synthetic keyboard wash, and not steer too far away from mainstream sounds?

                    Sheila Jordan - Baltimore Oriolefrom albumBlue Note Trip - Lookin' Back, Movin' OnJazzanova mixin' the most fabulous blue note tunes!!


                    i'm wondering if parlato's gran might possibly be trying to make the same point, about song narrative ..... and might write some lyrics for gretchen to sing?

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwon5...eature=related
                    Great message, handsome

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                    • Serial_Apologist
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37882

                      #11
                      Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                      because people learn from what pc software can do with beats, rather than past reference points, and what humans played before.
                      It's both - but it'd take a month of Sundays to trawl through recordings to illustrate

                      Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                      there's none of astrud gilberto's peculiar emotional flatness, detachment? if anything, 'intimacy' is routinely delivered, usually with tinges of kermit the frog's drawl.
                      Offtopic, but Kenny Wheeler speaks like Kermit! I don't think he'd be too upset by me pointing this out - his musical associates seem Ok about it!

                      Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                      i don't personally care for cassandra wilson's singing either, .... but on gretchen's utube page, there are other similar contemporary singers, and vocal wise, they're all ok. it's just the personal choice of covers, and content that is possibly my main 'taste' problem. generally style/lyrics seem deeply conservative, taking absolutely no chances.
                      This has *always* been one of my chief betes noir with jazz singers, many for whom apparently the harmonic richness to be found in the "standard repertoire" compared with post-Presley pop transcends lyrical content. Some try to convey irony in their manner of presentation; but too many blokes just see skirt; too many women dream...

                      Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                      shiela jordan doesn't need to do too much melodicly, over the sparse bass, other than tel the story, bend the odd straight note .... to brilliant dynamic effect. whereas comtemporary singing styles bend nearly every phrase end, so as to become thoroughly predictable. happily, we must nearly be done with this style now? nothing lasts forever stylisticly, but is cyclical
                      Well it's been a bloody long cycle then - - at least since Aretha Franklin brought in that Gospel/Soul use of exaggerated cliched elaboration in the 60s. "A-maaaaa-hay-hay-hay-aaa-aaa-zing Graaa-hay-hay-hay-aace" In the 90s british Soul singers even went to the States to lean how to get it right.

                      Originally posted by handsomefortune View Post
                      the same goes for the tinny, short snare sound, borrowed from pc-made hiphop, and which sometimes feels like song decoration, rather than being useful, functional, in keeping the band in time. still, i suppose the hollower snare beat is meant to compliment the pools of synthetic keyboard wash, and not steer too far away from mainstream sounds?
                      That's still very much around, handsome, and I guess will be for some time. A lot of my 60+ age group find it very strange, the comparatively restrained approach of a lot of young drummers - "C'mon lads! Gis a bit more! What are the open cymbals for? Ever learn to do a roll on a crescendo?" No don't worry, they don't blurt out things like that at gigs!

                      Sorry if I've gone a bit off=topic, not having deigned to listen to much of this stuff, to be obnoxiously arrogant for a moment, but I felt a lot of what you wrote applied right across the piece, and you put it al so well.

                      S-A
                      Last edited by Serial_Apologist; 04-08-11, 15:07.

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                      • Ian Thumwood
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 4261

                        #12
                        Wondered if anyone else had acquired the new Ambrose Akinmusire album "When the heart meerges glistening" and was similarly impressed? There is a bizarre percussion and vocal track called "My name is Oscar" which is a bit out of kilter with the rest of the music but otherwise this is a mind-blowing record. There are moments of the record where the music is extremely frenetic but the band still manages to keep a firm grip on procedings. I really love the tune "Henya" which grows on you with repeated listening but unfortunately the website offers no information as to where you can get the lead sheet.
                        I am really excited by this musician and his tenor-playing buddy Walter Smith III and think he has added a rush of adrenelin to the comtempoary jazz scene. Either this disc or Smith's "III" rank as a couple of this year's strongest releases - not a great deal between the two although the Blue Note disc benefits from the bigger label's polish whereas Smith's disc is very much in the spirit of jazz records from the 50's /60's and is more "natural." I would recommend both discs.

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                        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 9173

                          #13
                          ... er keep meqaning to ian ... but not yet ...

                          nephew sent me this






                          a pianist who was a prodigy and now growing up ....
                          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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