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  • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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    • Dec 2010
    • 4289

    "Blues Walk" is something of a Bluenote classic, not because of any deep profundity but because it epitomises a certain Bluenote groove. And as Ian says, that on it's own terms is really enjoyable. I've got one of those eight album box sets of Lou's dates up to about 1960. These are more interesting to me for their sidemen, Kenny Dorham, Donald Byrd, Horace Parlan etc etc, but are all OK. I find LD somewhat over sweet on ballads, but livable with. Art Pepper dismissed him as just an updated Louis Jordon, which actually may not be such a bad thing.

    As to SA's thought about insecurity and competitive technique, I've been listening to Hubert Fol, a French alto player who was one of the first Europeans to really pick up on Bird. Despite his useful chops he's not at all flashy maybe because he also had a big Johnny Hodges affection. He stopped playing in the 60s because of "mental issues", but interesting in his own way. Lovely version of "You go to my head" which I may suggest to JRR

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    • Ian Thumwood
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      • Dec 2010
      • 4187

      These records had a broader, popular appeal. I totally get the comparison with Louis Jordan but only from the perspective that he was another alto player who sought to bridge jazz and pop. Sixty years later, I think this idea is probably lost of most of the jazz audience but it is really no different from , say, Dave Sanborn although Donaldson was doing this through bop. The stuff with the organ dominated groups are OK although I think there are intonation issues on the record i have and I do not find Tommy Turrentine to be more than average. To my ears, the combination of Bird and Soul Jazz is slightly incongruous although in a way that I find amusing. The music is not too deep and has a feel good quality about it. In my opinion some of these Blue Note organ groups can be uneven. Always wish I had bought some Big John Patton when they were available and think some kind of apogee was reached with Fred Jackson@s Hootin & Tootin which swapped a refraction of Parker for jazz which reflected early Coltrane.

      I quite like groups with organs in and would definitely argue that they have their own criteria as to what is successful with groove being the key element against which this stuff is judged. It is populist and some of Donaldson's material could be slight. However, if you don't find it enjoyable, you are missing the point. I expect this stuff probably helped finance records by the likes of Andrew Hill and would not be surprised if it had an audience from outside jazz.



      From the remarks Wynton made, Donaldson was no slouch as a musician and was respected by his peers. I get the impression that he was good company and amusing to chat to in a curmudgeonly sort of way. Marsalis was clearly amused by him I think he would have been a rewarding interviewee.

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      • Serial_Apologist
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        • Dec 2010
        • 37715

        Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
        S A

        I think the point of Donaldson was that he was looking to maintain the connection between jazz and thr general public. Sure, many musicians of his generation had bags of technique but Donaldson's music in the 1960s sought to reconnect with a more mainstream audience. He was really vociferous about the music having a groove. Maybe more populist than Cannonball. Nothing to dislike about his music . It was always about enjoyment.
        Fair comment.

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        • Jazzrook
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          • Mar 2011
          • 3090

          Bud Powell with NHOP(15!) & Jorn Elniff playing ‘Anthropology’ at Cafe Montmartre, early 1962:

          Bud Powell - pianoNiels-Henning Orsted Pedersen - bassJorn Elniff - drumsLive from Café Montmartre, Copenhagen, early 1962


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          • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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            • Dec 2010
            • 4289

            Posting this here as an upcoming jazz connected documentary given very good reviews...

            Trailers featuring Dizzy & Max etc are on YouTube

            Financial Times

            "Six films to watch this week...

            Soundtrack to a Coup d’Etat film review —

            A dizzying history of colonialism, murder and jazz in the Congo The 1961 assassination of Patrice Lumumba is at the core of a fiercely intelligent, freewheeling documentary... The musical cast is stellar: Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Nina Simone just some of the jazz titans whose work fills the film. And the coup? Well, that is sometimes given the polite name “Congo Crisis”. The movie is a geopolitical true-crime story, rooted in the 1961 assassination of former Congolese prime minister Patrice Lumumba. Behind the curtain it pulls back are world leaders, the CIA, MI6, revolutionaries, mercenaries, and some of the 20th century’s most transcendent musicians. The mix is as rich as you’d think, and the film often stunningly good."

            I remember this and it's political impact, Malcolm X etc etc. I didn't realise how much the CIA attempted to use jazz (unknowingly to those like Louis), in the Congo context.





            Last edited by BLUESNIK'S REVOX; 17-11-24, 08:32.

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            • Jazzrook
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              • Mar 2011
              • 3090

              Albert Mangelsdorff Trio with J.F. Jenny Clark & Ronald Shannon Jackson at Montreux, 1981:

              Albert Mangelsdorff TrioMontreux 1981Albert Mangelsdorff - tromboneJ.F. Jenny Clark - bassRonald Shannon Jackson - drums


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              • Jazzrook
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                • Mar 2011
                • 3090

                Roland Kirk with Tete Montoliu, Tommy Potter & Kenny Clarke in Italy, 1964:

                That's one hell of a Soprano Sax! ... I know ... I know :-) with Teti Montoliu on piano; Tommy Potter on bass; Kenny Clarke on drums.


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                • Jazzrook
                  Full Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 3090

                  Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
                  Posting this here as an upcoming jazz connected documentary given very good reviews...

                  Trailers featuring Dizzy & Max etc are on YouTube

                  Financial Times

                  "Six films to watch this week...

                  Soundtrack to a Coup d’Etat film review —

                  A dizzying history of colonialism, murder and jazz in the Congo The 1961 assassination of Patrice Lumumba is at the core of a fiercely intelligent, freewheeling documentary... The musical cast is stellar: Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Nina Simone just some of the jazz titans whose work fills the film. And the coup? Well, that is sometimes given the polite name “Congo Crisis”. The movie is a geopolitical true-crime story, rooted in the 1961 assassination of former Congolese prime minister Patrice Lumumba. Behind the curtain it pulls back are world leaders, the CIA, MI6, revolutionaries, mercenaries, and some of the 20th century’s most transcendent musicians. The mix is as rich as you’d think, and the film often stunningly good."

                  I remember this and it's political impact, Malcolm X etc etc. I didn't realise how much the CIA attempted to use jazz (unknowingly to those like Louis), in the Congo context.




                  Richard Williams has written an excellent piece on ‘Soundtrack to a Coup d’etat’:

                  A blog about music by Richard Williams


                  JR
                  Last edited by Jazzrook; 19-11-24, 12:42.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37715

                    Originally posted by Jazzrook View Post

                    Richard Williams has written an excellent piece on ‘Soundtrack to a Coup d’etat’:

                    A blog about music by Richard Williams


                    JR
                    Without saying so per se, Williams effectively places the importance of Lumumba's murder in the context of permanent revolution - namely ex-colonised third world nations forced to "go beyond" self-determination leaving political fortunes in the hands of western multinationals and banks - and nationalise their economies, establish mutual trading set-ups with similar politically and economically autonomous new nations - options a radical pan-African Lumumba government would have faced, as realised by the Western powers, and the reason he had to be got rid of.

                    Shame that solidarity abroad was not strong enough - it could have happened. The world order would have been very different today.

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                    • Jazzrook
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                      • Mar 2011
                      • 3090

                      James Brandon Lewis with Aruan Ortiz, Brad Jones & Chad Taylor at Vision Festival 25.
                      This quartet’s ‘Transfiguration’ album is riding high in some ‘Jazz Record Of The Year’ polls.

                      James Brandon Lewis - tenor sax / Aruán Ortiz / Brad Jones - bass / Chad Taylor - drumsMusic as an alternative to the present, not an escape from but an esca...


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                      • Jazzrook
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                        • Mar 2011
                        • 3090

                        Pony Poindexter playing & singing ‘All Blues’ with Kenny Drew, Jimmy Woode & Edgar Bateman in 1965:



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