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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
Thanks Ian for posting this link. This is the first time I have heard Xero's playing. There's another similar Ornettish contemporary to him - a Bristolian called Aaron Standon you might have heard of.
Might still be around, though I understand that London is quite large so it may be a long shot. PS: apparently the gent playing the alto shown above was Alan Wilkinson.all words are trains for moving past what really has no name
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SA / Tenor Freak
I can remember the obituary fro Zero Slingsby in The Wire . I think that there was a lot of interest in the local scene at that time because London had been receiving a lot of the attention before the journalists realised that there the "jazz revival"was happening out in the provinces too. For me, charcters like Xero Slingsby represented much of what was happening outside of London. From recollection, there was a pianist called Paul Reid who was based in Sheffield (from recollection) who featured on the front cover of the magazine one month. I had never heard of him but the reporter discovered that Reid had his fingers in the pie of all sorts of projects from small groupd through to a big band.
Seeing the clips, I have to admit that the kind of music played by Slingsby was really typical of what was happening in the Uk jazz scene in the late 1980s. There were so many bands busking in Southampton at that time including a Soul group called "Get smart" who seemed to be everywhere at that time. There were loads of venues in Southampton where you could hear both professional and amateur groups ranging from Trad, Gypsy jazz, piano trios and modern jazz. The local BBC radio station used to run a gig guide and it went on for ages because there were so many venues offering jazz. When you read about the revival in the 1980s, the stereotype of New-Neos gets trotted out all the time but the reality was that there were more bands going in different directions as opposed to everyone following the Wynton model. The jazz scene was far more vibrant than that and I feel less dominated by college students than it is today. You certainly do not see the guerilla approach to jazz of Xero Slingsby now. There was an element in jazz back then that was slightly anti-establishment which seems to be missing these days.
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Originally posted by Tenor Freak View Post
SA, I know you're based in Sarf London but often travel up north. According to someone on the Sax on the Web forum there was a bloke playing alto sax down Stoke Newington market in 2015.
Might still be around, though I understand that London is quite large so it may be a long shot. PS: apparently the gent playing the alto shown above was Alan Wilkinson.
ALAN WILKINSON : bass clarinet, alto saxLive at the A NEW WAVE OF JAZZ digital label event, performance at Peckham Studios, London (UK) March 20th 2021Audio ...
I used to go there when it was easier to get to than now. I'm left wondering if Zero bequeathed Alan his saxophone. Elton Dean left his saxello to Paul Dunmall - not sure how many people know this.
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Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View PostSA / Tenor Freak
I can remember the obituary fro Zero Slingsby in The Wire . I think that there was a lot of interest in the local scene at that time because London had been receiving a lot of the attention before the journalists realised that there the "jazz revival"was happening out in the provinces too. For me, charcters like Xero Slingsby represented much of what was happening outside of London. From recollection, there was a pianist called Paul Reid who was based in Sheffield (from recollection) who featured on the front cover of the magazine one month. I had never heard of him but the reporter discovered that Reid had his fingers in the pie of all sorts of projects from small groupd through to a big band.
Seeing the clips, I have to admit that the kind of music played by Slingsby was really typical of what was happening in the Uk jazz scene in the late 1980s. There were so many bands busking in Southampton at that time including a Soul group called "Get smart" who seemed to be everywhere at that time. There were loads of venues in Southampton where you could hear both professional and amateur groups ranging from Trad, Gypsy jazz, piano trios and modern jazz. The local BBC radio station used to run a gig guide and it went on for ages because there were so many venues offering jazz. When you read about the revival in the 1980s, the stereotype of New-Neos gets trotted out all the time but the reality was that there were more bands going in different directions as opposed to everyone following the Wynton model. The jazz scene was far more vibrant than that and I feel less dominated by college students than it is today. You certainly do not see the guerilla approach to jazz of Xero Slingsby now. There was an element in jazz back then that was slightly anti-establishment which seems to be missing these days.
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Quite enjoyable quartet session from Köln (yes I have included the umlaut for all German grammar pedants) recorded last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7IcZMXJfZk
all words are trains for moving past what really has no name
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Melissa Aldana (ts) again, Köln again, this time with Lage Lund (g) Pablo Menares (b) and Kush Abadey (dr) in a quartet date from 2021. Enjoying this one, I have been listening a lot recently to Ms. Aldana. Her style is similar to Mark Turner's but with some significant differences.
Melissa Aldana Quartet ⎪ live at COLOGNE JAZZWEEK 2021Stadtgarten Köln, GERMANY30 Aug 2021 Melissa Aldana – saxLage Lund – gtPablo Menares – bKush Abadey – d...
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Bruce
It was ineresting to her Melissa Aldana with her own group as my experience of her playing was limited to a couple of guest appearances on an Emmett Cohen CD where she was the best thing on the record. I will need to listen at length to this but my first impressions was that her playing owed alot to Michael Brecker but without the range of dynamics and sense of swing that the late saxphonist had.
I was intrigued by your comments as I usually find myself concurring 100% with what you usually post. I have to say that I feel that I am not the fan of this kind of stuff that I might have been 10 years ago. There is a problem for me with quite a bit of post-Brecker tenor players where there is almost an indentikit element about it. I hear the same thing with Joshua Redman and Mark Turner where they all sound like they come out of the same college system with little real variety. It seems amazing that people on this board in the past have been critical of players like Branford Marsalis yet his playing always has a degree of fire about it. This stuff just strikes me as really lightweight. It is also a photo-copy of jazz - technically brilliant , cpmplex amd assured but it is a really pale immitation of James Brandon Lewis, J D Allen or even James Carter. When they play, their music has some balls about it. It is strange how someone like James Brandon Lewis, for example. is so over-looked and, to my ears, done the right thing by going back to the freer elements of jazz of the late 1960s but reinvesting it with the technique of today. Aldana is ok but so are hundreds of other tenor saxophonists who are churned out by the system. In 2024, having a fabulous technique is a given. A lot of the players these days seem to assured and comfortable and I am not longer positive that I have the patience to listen to alot of it. Whenever records come out with the likes of Mehldau, Redman, Turner, Cohen etc get released it just seems totally pointless to me. There seems to be no risk with this stuff and I find it palls with alot of pre-1980s jazz. How incredible would the likes of Arthur Blythe, David S Ware or David Murray sound if they had arrived on the scene now ? If you compare this contemporary jazz to legends like Rollins, Henderson, Coltrane, Shorter, it doesn't seem to stand up . I don't agree with SA's assessment that jazz must continually innovate to be relevant, but I think it should have some balls! I rarely listen to Contemporary jazz now as it has become too refined and smooth. When I was discovering jazz in the 1980s, I used to be shocked by the sounds jazz musicians were making. I rarely get that feeling with jazz these days. It has become very boring.
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Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View PostBruce
It was ineresting to her Melissa Aldana with her own group as my experience of her playing was limited to a couple of guest appearances on an Emmett Cohen CD where she was the best thing on the record. I will need to listen at length to this but my first impressions was that her playing owed alot to Michael Brecker but without the range of dynamics and sense of swing that the late saxphonist had.
I was intrigued by your comments as I usually find myself concurring 100% with what you usually post. I have to say that I feel that I am not the fan of this kind of stuff that I might have been 10 years ago. There is a problem for me with quite a bit of post-Brecker tenor players where there is almost an indentikit element about it. I hear the same thing with Joshua Redman and Mark Turner where they all sound like they come out of the same college system with little real variety. It seems amazing that people on this board in the past have been critical of players like Branford Marsalis yet his playing always has a degree of fire about it. This stuff just strikes me as really lightweight. It is also a photo-copy of jazz - technically brilliant , cpmplex amd assured but it is a really pale immitation of James Brandon Lewis, J D Allen or even James Carter. When they play, their music has some balls about it. It is strange how someone like James Brandon Lewis, for example. is so over-looked and, to my ears, done the right thing by going back to the freer elements of jazz of the late 1960s but reinvesting it with the technique of today. Aldana is ok but so are hundreds of other tenor saxophonists who are churned out by the system. In 2024, having a fabulous technique is a given. A lot of the players these days seem to assured and comfortable and I am not longer positive that I have the patience to listen to alot of it. Whenever records come out with the likes of Mehldau, Redman, Turner, Cohen etc get released it just seems totally pointless to me. There seems to be no risk with this stuff and I find it palls with alot of pre-1980s jazz. How incredible would the likes of Arthur Blythe, David S Ware or David Murray sound if they had arrived on the scene now ? If you compare this contemporary jazz to legends like Rollins, Henderson, Coltrane, Shorter, it doesn't seem to stand up . I don't agree with SA's assessment that jazz must continually innovate to be relevant, but I think it should have some balls! I rarely listen to Contemporary jazz now as it has become too refined and smooth. When I was discovering jazz in the 1980s, I used to be shocked by the sounds jazz musicians were making. I rarely get that feeling with jazz these days. It has become very boring.
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Dutch altoist Tineke Postma and her quartet from the Bimuis on the IJselmeer in Amsterdam. This is very good. Unfortunately no studio audience because COVID.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIxpscyemNg&t=2054s
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This is excellent - Trish Clowes (ts) and Ross Stanley (p) play her piece "Decently Ripped" from her new album "Journey To Where" which is released tomorrow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LcfJK6dz74
all words are trains for moving past what really has no name
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