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  • Ian Thumwood
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    • Dec 2010
    • 4163

    I find that European Free Jazz to be a mixed blessing. There are moments where I really like it but there are also times when I think that it masked a lot of really inferior music making. It is a real mixed bag for me. I think that one of the most telling things about the movement is when you listen to a group like Willem Breuker's Kollectief where you are never entirely sure that they are being serious. It comes across as a really outside cabaret. Having seen them perform at Bracknell many years ago, I loved the music but there was so much more to their playing than continually freaking out. Brötzmann is a musician who made a lot of really important connections, often with American musicians , yet it seems to be all sound and fury to me. When the dynamics vary so little and you don't get a contrast to the continuous dissonance, I tend to find this rather boring. Bluesnik made a comment recently about some European jazz being "of it's time" and I feel this sample is case in point. I regret to say that I feel somewhat the same regaring Jazzrook's post of "The Thing" which also struck me a not being as good as it thinks. (Somewhat against the grain as I think my tastes pretty much mirror Jazzrook's.)

    Regarding Brotzmann giving the previous generation of German jazz musicians the bird, I am not sure that they were that numerous in the first place. Maybe it is more telling regarding PB's personality which was supposed to be pretty gruff. (There was an instance last week on something like All aboit jazz whuich concerns his reluctant to perform with Tyshawn Sorey as he did not "want to become part of a circus." Then there is also the case of Eberhard Weber's interview in JJ many years ago when he talked about this Free Jazz period in Germany and how it eventually dawned on him that the constant pursuit of dissonance struck him as pointless. It is quite weird how both Garbarek and Weber quickly abandoned the freer forms of jazz by the mid 1970s for something far simpler. I don't realy see this as a culmination of jazz evolution but more like an adolescent throwing a trantrum albeit one that was appropriate for the times. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. For me, the "American" route towards the avant garde typified by the likes of AACM seems to have been more successful. Stuff like AEoC , Roscoe Mitchell and Muhal Richard Abrams now seems more "in the tradition." I think PB is like a more violent version of Albert Ayler and lacks the humility in Ayler's music.

    Picking up on the comment about "European traditions", I have been listening to a new CD of orchestral music by the Polish composer Baciewizc who seems to be enjoying alot of popularity at the moment. The music seems to be taking it's cues from Bartok in some of the pieces but I think is indicative of where the better Classical music in the 40s/50s and 60s was headed. It is modern but not modern for the sake of it. I have to say that I think we probably need to move of from championing female composers and just championing good composers of which Baciewizc undountedly is. I get annoyed when the same name get trotted out as examples of great female composers when the likes of Clara Schumann, Fanny Mendelsohn, Cheminade, and Ethel Smythe get singled out. Good to see Baciewizc getting deserved credit and to find a composer who is a new name for me. I think she is on a par with Lili Boulanger - another great composer regardless of gender, The CD I bought is terrific.

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    • Jazzrook
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      • Mar 2011
      • 3067

      The Trio: John Surman, Barre Phillips & Stu Martin at Prague Jazz Festival, 1970:

      John Surman TrioPrague Jazz Festival1970John Surman - reedsBarre Phillips - bassStu Martin - drums


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      • Jazzrook
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        • Mar 2011
        • 3067

        Anthony Braxton, Kenny Wheeler, Dave Holland & Barry Altschul at Montreux, 1975:

        Anthony Braxton QuartetMontreux 1975Anthony Braxton - reedsKenny Wheeler - trumpetDave Holland - bassBarry Altschul - drums


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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 37617

          Originally posted by Jazzrook View Post
          Anthony Braxton, Kenny Wheeler, Dave Holland & Barry Altschul at Montreux, 1975:

          Anthony Braxton QuartetMontreux 1975Anthony Braxton - reedsKenny Wheeler - trumpetDave Holland - bassBarry Altschul - drums


          JR
          Kenny would go on to say that the music played by that quartet was the most difficult he ever had to play. Given his magnificence on the recording I think one has to say he gave no appearances of such.

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          • elmo
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            • Nov 2010
            • 543

            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post

            Kenny would go on to say that the music played by that quartet was the most difficult he ever had to play. Given his magnificence on the recording I think one has to say he gave no appearances of such.
            Thank you JR I have been rather ambivalent about Anthony Braxton but this has really opened my eyes. Definitely will be investigating further, Kenny, Dave Holland and Barry Altschul are remarkable ..... a classic quartet

            elmo

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            • Jazzrook
              Full Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 3067

              Originally posted by elmo View Post

              Thank you JR I have been rather ambivalent about Anthony Braxton but this has really opened my eyes. Definitely will be investigating further, Kenny, Dave Holland and Barry Altschul are remarkable ..... a classic quartet

              elmo
              It opened my eyes, also!
              Here’s Braxton with Kenny Wheeler again, Jean-Francois Jenny Clark & Charles “Bobo” Shaw at Chateauvallon, 1973:

              Anthony Braxton (fl-cbcl-as) Kenny Wheeler (tp-fh) Jean-François Jenny-Clark (b) Charles "Bobo" Shaw (d), Châteauvallon Jazz Festival, France, August 25, 197...


              JR

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              • Jazzrook
                Full Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 3067

                Chick Corea’s Circle Quartet with Anthony Braxton, Dave Holland & Barry Altschul in Paris, 1971:

                Emission "Jazz Session" diffusion ORTF.Presenté par André FrancisPresentation 00:00 Q and A 01:11 Thanatos 11:27Nefertiti 15:27Circle:Chick Corea (piano)Anth...


                JR

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                • Serial_Apologist
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37617

                  Originally posted by Jazzrook View Post
                  Chick Corea’s Circle Quartet with Anthony Braxton, Dave Holland & Barry Altschul in Paris, 1971:

                  Emission "Jazz Session" diffusion ORTF.Presenté par André FrancisPresentation 00:00 Q and A 01:11 Thanatos 11:27Nefertiti 15:27Circle:Chick Corea (piano)Anth...


                  JR
                  According to Annette Peacock, Circle was just a piano trio which rehearsed in her kitchen before publicly declaring itself. Braxton joined after about a year; two years later Corea disbanded Circle, feeling its music appealing to too select a group (you wouldn't think that from the audience response to that Paris concert double LP on ECM) and formed Return to Forever. The remaining three were then joined by Kenny Wheeler for the group linked above, whose rhythm section also made up Sam Rivers' trio. When Kenny departed from Braxton after about a year, George Lewis, trombonist associated with the AACM, came in. He in turn was to be replaced by Ray Anderson.

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                  • Tenor Freak
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 1055

                    Interview with Roscoe Mitchell:

                    Multi-instrumentalist and composer Roscoe Mitchell speaks about his philosophy of music, his collaborations with creative music practitioners, and his devoti...
                    all words are trains for moving past what really has no name

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                    • Jazzrook
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 3067

                      Not jazz, but I found this video of Irish singer, Lisa O’Neill’s ‘One Note’ haunting and poetic:

                      Pre-order the new album 'All Of This Is Chance' out Feb 10th here: https://lisaoneill.ffm.to/allofthisischanceDirected by Myles O’ReillyArt direction Donal D...


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                      • Jazzrook
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 3067

                        Lennie Tristano playing ‘You Don’t Know What Love Is’ in Copenhagen, November, 1965:



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                        • Jazzrook
                          Full Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 3067

                          Manfred Schoof(trumpet) with Gerd Dudek(tenor sax); Michel Pilz(bass clarinet); Buschi Niebergall(bass); Alexander Van Schlippenbach(piano) & Mani Neumeier(drums) at Molde J.F., Norway, 1968:

                          Manfred Schoof SextetMolde Jazz FestNorway1968Manfred Schoof - trumpetGerd Dudek - tenorMichel Pilz - bass clarinetBuschi Niebergall - bassAlexander Von Schl...


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                          • Jazzrook
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                            • Mar 2011
                            • 3067

                            Stunning footage of Max Roach with Abbey Lincoln, Clifford Jordan, Coleridge Perkinson & Eddie Khan playing ‘Freedom Now Suite’ on Belgian TV, 1964:

                            Presentation Jan Gheysen 00:00We Insist! Freedom Now Suite:Intro 2:30Driva Man 4:50 Triptych (Prayer/Protest/ Peace) 9:58All Africa 19:09Freedom Day 25:27Li...


                            JR

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                            • Tenor Freak
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                              • Dec 2010
                              • 1055

                              A long interview with Bill Frisell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEHCjJxzIsY
                              all words are trains for moving past what really has no name

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                              • Tenor Freak
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 1055

                                An even longer interview with Big Black:

                                Big Black is a legend of bebop, noted for his 'fingerstyle' approach to hand drumming. Throughout his illustrious career, he has played with artists includi...
                                all words are trains for moving past what really has no name

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