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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
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    Angela beats Alison in Foursight saga conflation bid

    Sat 22 Feb
    5pm - J to Z

    Julian Joseph presents a concert from bassist and prolific session star Ron Carter and his Foursight Quartet. Carter is probably best known as a member of the Miles Davis Quintet in the 1960s. And bassist and Blow the Fuse founder Angela Rayner shares some of her musical inspirations.

    Well, I'm only quoting verbatim from Radio Times!!! This could be the greatest slander since antisemitic revisionists accused Jeremy Corbyn of being a Jew. The mistake is repeated on the programme link.

    Live music from bass legend Ron Carter. Plus UK bassist Alison Raynerโ€™s inspirations.


    12midnight - Freeness
    Corey Mwamba with roots-based music, featuring hip-hop producer Lushandverdant, international trio Multifarious and Pulled By Magnets - the new project of drummer Seb Rochford. See Fri 9pm 6 music*.

    *The BBC 6 Music reference is to a live set by Pulled By Magnets, if you can drag yourselves over there.

    Multifarious have worked with Barbara Thompson, by the way.

    Hip hop-inspired improv, using samples from old soul records, and deconstructed bluegrass


    Sun 23 Feb
    4pm - Jazz Record Requests

    Alyn Shipton with requested recordings by Sidney Bechet, Woody Herman and Oliver Nelson.

  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 37887

    #2
    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    Sat 22 Feb
    5pm - J to Z

    Julian Joseph presents a concert from bassist and prolific session star Ron Carter and his Foursight Quartet. Carter is probably best known as a member of the Miles Davis Quintet in the 1960s. And bassist and Blow the Fuse founder Angela Rayner shares some of her musical inspirations.
    I never imagined we'd be hearing Mendelssohn of all people on a jazz programme! My mum's favourite composer - and she hated jazz. Lovely choices in Angela Rayner's run-through of her favourite tracks, though. I mean Alison's.

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    • Quarky
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      • Dec 2010
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      #3
      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      I never imagined we'd be hearing Mendelssohn of all people on a jazz programme! My mum's favourite composer - and she hated jazz. Lovely choices in Angela Rayner's run-through of her favourite tracks, though. I mean Alison's.
      It wasn't too clear to me why Angela chose to play the Hebridean Overture, and played quite a lengthy amount (relatively). OK she was sold on quality music from an early age, but I guess so are many of us. I'm assuming Mendelssohn cannot be spotted as a direct influence on her compositions, but as I haven't heard any, I could be wrong.

      Anyhow, I have to plead ignorance of the world of the double bassist, at least in the foreground, and not just being responsible for holding together the rhythm of the piece. Jaco Pastorius- never have I been able to appreciate his contribution. Charlie Haden with Ornette Coleman was something to savour however.

      The double bassist, the minimalist of Jazz? May be one day I'll get to grips.

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      • Ian Thumwood
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        • Dec 2010
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        #4
        I thought JRR threw up some unusual tracks last night. I was not aware of the Cootie Williams / Rex Stewart record which was the best of the lot. I wondered if this was the only recorded example of Coleman Hawkins and Bud Freeman being on the same recording session. They make a really odd pairing which piques the interest. It is strange what comes up in the requests and yesterday's programme seemed to mix the familiar with some really left-field choices.

        I see next week's JRR is dedicated to female jazz musicians. I wondered if the gender of jazz musicians has any bearing to anyone on this board when listening to jazz or buying records ? Given the significance of players like Maria Schneider, Dianne Reeves, Carla Bley, the late Geri Allen, Jane Ira Bloom, Linda Oh, Nicole Mitchell, Terri-Lynne Carrington, Tomeka Reid or Mary Halvorson in recent years, my personal take is that it doesn't matter and I don't really see their music as being any different from their male counterparts. Pre-1980s it might have still seemed quite a novelty but in the 21st century I think we have arrived at a situation where the leading exponents in many areas of jazz are women and I am not sure that gender really matters these days only insofar that it offers a different perspective . The current jazz scene has very much been shaped by female performers. It doesn't have any bearing on my appreciation of their music. It is more interesting to me, for example. that Maria Schneider is interested in birdwatching and that this has influenced her music. It will be interesting to see how many of these names materialise in next week's JRR which has the potential to have a very strong selection although I acknowledge that any vintage material will be much more challenging to meet the criteria with the likes of the justly acclaimed MLW and Lil Hardin probably likely suspects.

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        • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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          • Dec 2010
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          #5
          Isn't the JRR Women's feature on the 8th March to time with International Women's Day?

          I think next week is St David's Day so probably loads of great Welsh jazz players.

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          • Quarky
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            • Dec 2010
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            #6
            Originally posted by Quarky View Post
            It wasn't too clear to me why Angela chose to play the Hebridean Overture, and played quite a lengthy amount (relatively). OK she was sold on quality music from an early age, but I guess so are many of us. I'm assuming Mendelssohn cannot be spotted as a direct influence on her compositions, but as I haven't heard any, I could be wrong.

            Anyhow, I have to plead ignorance of the world of the double bassist, at least in the foreground, and not just being responsible for holding together the rhythm of the piece. Jaco Pastorius- never have I been able to appreciate his contribution. Charlie Haden with Ornette Coleman was something to savour however.

            The double bassist, the minimalist of Jazz? May be one day I'll get to grips.
            OK, I think the good lady has sold me on Jaco. At least I now know what he's all about. Many thanks Alison!

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              • Dec 2010
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              #7
              Originally posted by Quarky View Post
              OK, I think the good lady has sold me on Jaco. At least I now know what he's all about. Many thanks Alison!
              Strange though, that she singled out Charlie Haden, exalting the sound of the single note, having gone in early for Pastorious! Did anyone else notice that apparent contradiction?

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              • Ian Thumwood
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                • Dec 2010
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                #8
                Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
                Isn't the JRR Women's feature on the 8th March to time with International Women's Day?

                I think next week is St David's Day so probably loads of great Welsh jazz players.
                It will be the shortest edition of JRR ever if that is the case. The ever reliable Wicki lists that there are only 9 jazz musicians who have ever come from Wales, a couple of which are associated with Jazz Rock. Must admit that this statistic really surprised me. I appreciate that Scotland has always has a seemingly a higher proportion of jazz musicians per head than most of the Uk but I had genuinely not expected Wales to be quite so poorly represented. The biggest name is Gwylim Simcock who is arguably the jazz piano's answer to Gareth Bale - although obviously without the man-bun. There are cities in England who can claim a greater contribution to jazz and I think Hampshire alone can probably muster more names. (John Horler, etc, etc.)

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                • Serial_Apologist
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                  • Dec 2010
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
                  The ever reliable Wicki lists that there are only 9 jazz musicians who have ever come from Wales, a couple of which are associated with Jazz Rock. Must admit that this statistic really surprised me.
                  I'll check that out!

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                  • Alyn_Shipton
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 777

                    #10
                    Well Wiki as ever is completely unreliable. We played several Welsh bands on Jazz Now in the BBC Introducing slot. But there's a list as long as your arm - how about Gareth Williams (who's played with Claire Martin for years), and Laurence and Dave Cottle, not to mention Paul Smith and Alun Vaughan from Dave's trio, then there Gethin Liddington and his various bands, and on JRR I've played the young Welsh band Burum, led by Tomos and Daniel Williams, with Dave Jones on piano. There's a S Wales trio led by Frazer Nelson, (not the editor of the Spectator), and what about bassist Paula Gardner, who runs the jazz course at the RWCMD in Cardiff and played on the BBC Young Jazz Musician of the Year. Do keep up you lot.... and for Quarky take a listen to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tmfdj or https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00j4htq or https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00g84rh or maybe one of my all time favourites: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0137yz5

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                    • Quarky
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                      • Dec 2010
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Alyn_Shipton View Post
                      Well Wiki as ever is completely unreliable. We played several Welsh bands on Jazz Now in the BBC Introducing slot. But there's a list as long as your arm - how about Gareth Williams (who's played with Claire Martin for years), and Laurence and Dave Cottle, not to mention Paul Smith and Alun Vaughan from Dave's trio, then there Gethin Liddington and his various bands, and on JRR I've played the young Welsh band Burum, led by Tomos and Daniel Williams, with Dave Jones on piano. There's a S Wales trio led by Frazer Nelson, (not the editor of the Spectator), and what about bassist Paula Gardner, who runs the jazz course at the RWCMD in Cardiff and played on the BBC Young Jazz Musician of the Year. Do keep up you lot.... and for Quarky take a listen to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tmfdj or https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00j4htq or https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00g84rh or maybe one of my all time favourites: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0137yz5
                      Will do and many thanks Alyn.

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                      • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 4325

                        #12
                        I saw Paula in her very early days, jamming at the Four Bars on a barely attended Monday night. She was outstanding even then. And now I think (as well as teaching) also plays with Dave Stapleton's Quintet. Very fine they are.

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                        • Serial_Apologist
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Alyn_Shipton View Post
                          Well Wiki as ever is completely unreliable. We played several Welsh bands on Jazz Now in the BBC Introducing slot. But there's a list as long as your arm - how about Gareth Williams (who's played with Claire Martin for years), and Laurence and Dave Cottle, not to mention Paul Smith and Alun Vaughan from Dave's trio, then there Gethin Liddington and his various bands, and on JRR I've played the young Welsh band Burum, led by Tomos and Daniel Williams, with Dave Jones on piano. There's a S Wales trio led by Frazer Nelson, (not the editor of the Spectator), and what about bassist Paula Gardner, who runs the jazz course at the RWCMD in Cardiff and played on the BBC Young Jazz Musician of the Year. Do keep up you lot.... and for Quarky take a listen to: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tmfdj or https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00j4htq or https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00g84rh or maybe one of my all time favourites: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0137yz5
                          Other should be well-known Welsh jazz people include drummer Ian Thomas, guitarist Dylan Fowler ("The Three Amoebas"), "free" drummer Dave Fowler, saxophonist Eric Clarke, pianist Huw Warren, saxophonist Lee Goodall - who played with George Russell's Living Time Orchestra and has been associated with Keith Tippett, and violinist/vocalist Sylvia Hallett. But not Steve Williamson or Pat Thomas () nor Ed Jones, who was born in Herts.

                          Those are all the ones I can find in my recordings. Any more for any more?

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                          • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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                            #14
                            Dill Jones
                            Nick Evans (Clytha Primary School, Newport Boys Grammar School, Barry Summer School, Soft Machine, Keith Tippett, Mike Westbrook, Chris McGregor, et al...)
                            Dai Coco, cornet player with the Merthyr-sippy Hot Stompers. Their album "Trad goes Taff", was sadly unreleased and Dai Coco returned to selling ice-cream.

                            BN.

                            Actually, the Mike Harries band was very big in S.Wales in my yooof, and played the art schools and architectural college "dos", plus a regular night in Newport. Nick played Trad with them before he discovered Brookmeyer. They had a banjo/guitarist who played Broonzy numbers with steel finger picks. First time I'd actually seen that in person, he was impressive.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              • Dec 2010
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                              #15
                              How could I have omitted Nick Evans!!!

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