Bill Frisell & Thomas Morgan @ Turner Sims

[Lat-Literal]

Thanks Bluesie. Start from here - others follow on automatically on my nice computer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4Bmi-7fao

Funnily enough this is more or less at the point where Derek Bailey's trio Josef Holbrooke, with Gavin Bryars and Tony Oxley, started playing changes-based jazz then taking it much further out, working from an obscure Sheffield pub somewhere around 1964.

Why did they name themselves after Josef Holbrooke?

[Serial_Apologist]

Why did they name themselves after Josef Holbrooke?

D'you know, Lat, I've no idea! - unless they considered him an unjustly neglected composer with whom to identify. And I've never asked. If it was Derek's idea, it's too late, of course.

[Lat-Literal]

D'you know, Lat, I've no idea! - unless they considered him an unjustly neglected composer with whom to identify. And I've never asked. If it was Derek's idea, it's too late, of course.

I like Holbrooke. Sallymap knew about Holbrooke's rather wild presentations of his ideas, not that they were always hugely innovative, and of course they were frequently rejected. So I wonder if it was a wry reflection on what they were doing - here it would perhaps be innovative and possibly not anticipating wide acceptance at the outset. Something on those lines?

Holbrooke was one of ours, of course...…….Cwoydon…………that he is generally overlooked even here in favour of the generally overlooked Cwoydon Coleridge-Taylor says quite a lot!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

D'you know, Lat, I've no idea! - unless they considered him an unjustly neglected composer with whom to identify. And I've never asked. If it was Derek's idea, it's too late, of course.

Bailey himself wrote " The group's name probably came from Gavin Bryars, who at the time was beginning to show what would become a lasting interest in early 20th Century English Music." (Derek Bailey; Improvisation: Its Nature & Practice in Music, 1980)

[Lat-Literal]

Bailey himself wrote " The group's name probably came from Gavin Bryars, who at the time was beginning to show what would become a lasting interest in early 20th Century English Music." (Derek Bailey; Improvisation: Its Nature & Practice in Music, 1980)

Oh.