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[burning dog]

...and when was Rock first separated from Pop?

Do you mean "Rock" or "Rock and Roll"?

It could go on forever...

[Quarky]

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... don't get me started on 'early music' as a label

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L'Arpeggiata and Jordi Savall would something to say on the subject.

Music for a While: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwt5iHyShYo

Early Music or Jazz? Either way, the prospects of this type of music being discussed in the respective Boards are pretty low, imv.

[cloughie]

Do you mean "Rock" or "Rock and Roll"?

It could go on forever...

Rock! Rock 'n' roll was the basis of much of 60s Pop, but at some point it became Rock, but when?

[Lat-Literal]

Equally I have no interest in Jazz, other than by people who have the surname Coltrane, with whom jazz began and finished.
What on earth do the people on the jazz board find to talk about the rest of the time?
I completely respect their right to do it in their own corner anyway...

Yes, I've been told recently elsewhere that World Music as a label/genre is defunct (yet numerous artist, record labels and publications seem not to have grasped this) and yes, the old point about 'all music is of this world' has been made before probably by the same sort of people who are making it now .
So what?
Anything wrong with a silly name? Quite happy to change it, but the necessary endless debate would probably mean my total senility would have arrived before agreement was reached.
Eh? What agreement?
I forget...

Surely sometimes, just sometimes, it's perfectly permissible to leave things as they are? For as long as poss anyway.

What's the reason to make a change?

Logical and lexical semanticists may wring the end part of their arm beyond the wrist which includes the palm, fingers, and thumb, in despair along with those mythical purists...
As we always say on the WM boaard... (should be 'muzyka' not 'zycia' really)

I have always supported World Music as a label because of the people who were in the meetings where it was agreed.

This was the subject of some discussion between Charlie Gillett and me on the BBC message boards, probably c 2009.

[burning dog]

Rock! Rock 'n' roll was the basis of much of 60s Pop, but at some point it became Rock, but when?

"Rock and Roll" itself means different things to different people as well

R&B - a term more nebulous than World music ?

[Lat-Literal]

"Rock and Roll" itself means different things to different people as well

R&B - a term more nebulous than World music ?

Two distinct meanings.

Mid 20th Century onwards and late 20th Century/early 21st Century.

Not that I would call the latter music.

[burning dog]

At least 2 in the mid 20th !

In Britain Rolling Stones etc which is covering electric blues via Chicago, ie folk blues goes urban and electric
In USA everything bluesy which ISNT that - mostly urban music with saxes etc

there's Also this

"Writer and producer Robert Palmer defined rhythm & blues as "a catchall term referring to any music that was made by and for black Americans""

The existence of the R&B charts, successor to the Race music chart could lead to this definition - it contained jazz, blues (urban and country) crooning and gospel

[cloughie]

"Rock and Roll" itself means different things to different people as well

R&B - a term more nebulous than World music ?

R&B had a meaning of something more substantial in the 60s than it does now where it seems to applied very liberally and often inappropriately!

[burning dog]

maybe not if the "chart" definition still holds true !

https://blackthen.com/race-records-rb/

[cloughie]

maybe not if the "chart" definition still holds true !

https://blackthen.com/race-records-rb/

I suppose you can call it what you like. I've got to say there is not much of the output post 1990 ( probably earlier,), that I have any joy listening to.

[burning dog]

I tend to use the term for "bluesy" music from the fifties and sixties that isn't guitar based Chicago Blues derived, or Country blues - more a case of if it isn't X it must come under R&B

[MrGongGong]

R&B had a meaning of something more substantial in the 60s than it does now where it seems to applied very liberally and often inappropriately!

There is a world of difference between R&B and R'n'B
I know, I know
I've just created a music i'm going to call "Planesong" , not to be confused with "Plainsong"

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I've just created a music i'm going to call "Planesong" , not to be confused with "Plainsong"

Oooh - I don't you have "just created" it, MrGG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT6yOIC6ihI

(No difficulty in deciding what genre that should be put under! Sponsored by The Presidents Club, by the looks of it.)

[Lat-Literal]

There is a world of difference between R&B and R'n'B

That's a great point - one I'd completely missed.

Oooh - I don't you have "just created" it, MrGG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT6yOIC6ihI

(No difficulty in deciding what genre that should be put under! Sponsored by The Presidents Club, by the looks of it.)

Eurovision is tricky for World Music people. Mainly it isn't WM but sometimes it is. As I have often mentioned, this is the best song it has ever featured. It came in second. I bought the CD. Later, she performed up at Womad, that was absolutely appropriate and I was there. Mind you, it would only be many years later that I took on board it was written by Wasis Diop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DOS_BHLcaA

[french frank]

The thing is that when people are splitting hairs over genres like rock and rock&roll, or R&B and R'n'B, they'll happily stick the label of "classical music" on what they think is "classical music". So that's classical music dealt with (NB not talking about the highly informed forumistas here).