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  • burning dog
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    • Dec 2010
    • 1509

    #61
    Beyonce - R'n'B



    Beyonce - R&B

    Beyonce accepting the GRAMMY for Best Contemporary R&B Album for Dangerously In Love at the 46th GRAMMY Awards Subscribe NOW to GRAMMYs on YouTube: http://gr...



    It's correct to say that Etta James was never called R'n'B though
    Last edited by burning dog; 26-01-18, 05:23.

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    • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 4250

      #62
      I remember seeing Chuck Berry on his very first UK tour in 1964 in Bristol, a package tour including the Animals and Carl Perkins of "Blue Seude Shoes" fame, and hence a large contingent of front row aging Teds. Chuck, aware of changing times, rejigged the chorus of his "School Days" from "Hail Hail Rock and Roll" to "Hail Hail Rhythm and Blues". Very loud and visible protests from Les Teds at this traitorous affront.

      People display musical allegiance as identity and to gain social capital. Read Pierre Bourdieu's "Distinction", a classic dissection of petite bourgeoisie aspirational role playing. And learn from Chuck's experience...

      BN.

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      • cloughie
        Full Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 22072

        #63
        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        The thing is that when people are splitting hairs over genres like rock and rock&roll, or R&B and R'n'B, they'll happily stick the label of "classical music" on what they think is "classical music". So that's classical music dealt with (NB not talking about the highly informed forumistas here).
        Interesting ff, that precisely because of the hair splitting and inconclusive genres I have only two classifications - Classical and Non-classical. Even then there crossover repertoire but so what?

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        • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 4250

          #64
          Originally posted by cloughie View Post
          Interesting ff, that precisely because of the hair splitting and inconclusive genres I have only two classifications - Classical and Non-classical. Even then there crossover repertoire but so what?
          I have only three absolute classifications...

          GOOD...what I call good

          EQUALLY GOOD...other people agreeing with me.

          BAD....what people other than the above call good.

          "Hell is other people's... purile musical tastes and their bloody awful record collections" - Jean-Paul Sartre. (Vinyl and Nothingness).

          BN.

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22072

            #65
            Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
            I have only three absolute classifications...

            GOOD...what I call good

            EQUALLY GOOD...other people agreeing with me.

            BAD....what people other than the above call good.

            "Hell is other people's... purile musical tastes and their bloody awful record collections" - Jean-Paul Sartre. (Vinyl and Nothingness).

            BN.
            Not biased then BN?

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            • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 4250

              #66
              Being light hearted. Irony in the Soul, as Johnny Sartre almost said.

              BN.

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              • MrGongGong
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 18357

                #67
                Mapping the territories of music is a widely practised activity




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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 29922

                  #68
                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  Interesting ff, that precisely because of the hair splitting and inconclusive genres I have only two classifications - Classical and Non-classical. Even then there crossover repertoire but so what?
                  And I suspect many jazz listeners have two genres - jazz and not jazz. And then even jazz has its different kinds. The more you know about a subject, the more fundamental differences you recognise, which is why 'classical music' is all lumped together by most people: no opera, or chamber music, or symphonic or Renaissance polyphony and contemporary electro-acoustic.

                  Like you, I have classical (of widely/wildly varying kinds), crossover and non classical.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • MrGongGong
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    #69
                    Maybe a seperate board for each of these ?

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                    • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 4250

                      #70
                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      Mapping the territories of music is a widely practised activity




                      http://www.stampthewax.com/2016/03/2...ise-genre-map/
                      "We are a long way from Kansas, Toto!"

                      BN.

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                      • burning dog
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 1509

                        #71
                        Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
                        "We are a long way from Kansas, Toto!"

                        BN.
                        Kansas?

                        Prog Rock ?

                        bit AOR?


                        Toto ?


                        soft rock?

                        pop rock?

                        also a bit AOR?

                        Could the general populace simplify that Map to ROCK ( +folk)?

                        Like with "urban" music it seems every almost ensemble invents themselves a micro genre.


                        I remember when a certain type of Rock fan split the Popular music world into Rock - the good stuff and Pop - the rest. That seemed to ease during the punk era and beyond
                        Last edited by burning dog; 26-01-18, 16:10.

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                        • Bryn
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 24688

                          #72
                          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                          Maybe a seperate board for each of these ?


                          Now That's What I Call Music!

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                          • burning dog
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 1509

                            #73
                            Thought it was the proposed "Northern Powerhouse" Metro

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37357

                              #74
                              Originally posted by burning dog View Post
                              Thought it was the proposed "Northern Powerhouse" Metro

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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22072

                                #75
                                Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
                                Being light hearted. Irony in the Soul, as Johnny Sartre almost said.

                                BN.
                                A lot of C21st RnB is more akin to Nausea!

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