Paul Jones Blues Show to be axed.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Never loved Eric. The links between the Clapton speech and that Bowie phase are 1976 and cocaine. Cocaine has been proven to be a major cause of fascism. WRP or National Front? It was the same simple choice as mods and rockers. Or rockers and mods.....even in one aged 31 who covered Marley not because he liked the song but because someone suggested that it would sell well. When the two met, Marley approved but sadly Clappers couldn't understand what he was saying. As for the Ferrys, many are more likely to be seen at a hunt than sailing across the Mersey. Love is a drug but chasing the fox is addiction in a non transgender cape. Nazi chic continued on into punk and beyond it. Whether that is Costello's excuse may or may not be found in Oliver's Army. I am aware that the Stones wanted 25% of the proceeds for playing Glastonbury and that Alan Price resisted providing his tracks to Spotify for longer than McCartney. But then there is Burdon and Morrison and, well, you were there and I was being pushed through woods when in my pram. There's a 1, 2 and 3 here rather than just a 1 and 2. Before the 1960s, the 1960s and after the 1960s. With just a 1 and 2 the ex vocalist of Catatonia might have a problem but there is surely plenty of 3 to dilute the supposed significance of 2, thus enabling what there is of 2 to be in tune with social democratic or even caring conservative mores.

The origins of Fascism are rather more profound than cocaine (sic). And Clapton's pick and mix approach to drugs was as much based around heroin. Which is what his one-time sixteen year old partner/first wife, who Eric "turned on", the youngest daughter of Lord Harlech, eventually died from very much later. Squalor doesn't cover it. But then heroin is not the gateway drug to racial idiocy and Twatism either.

As for Eric Burdon, despite all booze, smack, acid and the San Francisco Nights idiocy, one of the good guys. One when he and the Animals were touring with Jimmy Witherspoon and Jimmy suddenly being refused a pre booked room in a central Bristol hotel. "Overbooked", sorry, but black. This in Bristol, England, not fkg Alabama, c.1966. Burdon raised the roof and the entire band stormed out. Quite a story at the time.

BN.

[Lat-Literal]

The origins of Fascism are rather more profound than cocaine (sic). And Clapton's pick and mix approach to drugs was as much based around heroin. Which is what his one-time sixteen year old partner/first wife, who Eric "turned on", the youngest daughter of Lord Harlech, eventually died from very much later. Squalor doesn't cover it. But then heroin is not the gateway drug to racial idiocy and Twatism either.

As for Eric Burdon, despite all booze, smack, acid and the San Francisco Nights idiocy, one of the good guys. One when he and the Animals were touring with Jimmy Witherspoon and Jimmy suddenly being refused a pre booked room in a central Bristol hotel. "Overbooked", sorry, but black. This in Bristol, England, not fkg Alabama, c.1966. Burdon raised the roof and the entire band stormed out. Quite a story at the time.

BN.

Well, there you go. I don't have a single Eric Clapton solo album in my collection and there's nothing by Cream or the Rolling Stones. I do have the Animals, Them and admittedly the Yardbirds. I'm not sure what sort of punters Ms Matthews wants to pull in but she might wish to note that the 1977 14 year olds were often of this ilk. I am afraid that Eric was anathema but on reaching work we were open to new influences. Like another Bob who toiled in the corner and championed "Who Will Save the World? The Mighty Groundhogs."

[CGR]

Eric Clapton ("is God") 1976, doing his level best to fight Racism, however and wherever it pokes it's evil head...

"....yeah this is what all the fucking foreigners and wogs over here are like, just disgusting, that's just the truth, yeah. So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. You fucking (indecipherable). I don't want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch's our man. I think Enoch's right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fuck's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

Breathtaking, no really. Eat your heart out Oswald Mosley, Martin Webster, Nick Griffin. All together now, "In my white room......"

BN.

I really don't give a flying fig about the politics, there's too much of that nonsense anyway. The music is there to be enjoyed.

[Bryn]

It's views of this kind that which allow people to hang onto the leadership of UKIP!

ISTR annother dead parrot had a Bolton link.

[Beef Oven!]

I really don't give a flying fig about the politics, there's too much of that nonsense anyway. The music is there to be enjoyed.

[burning dog]

well it was Clapton who put so called "politics" /( lack of) human decency into music big-time when he went into a rant at a concert and racially insulted members of his audience

[teamsaint]

If I wore a hat, I'd certainly take it off to the person who could show me how to properly discuss the Blues without discussing politics.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

well it was Clapton who put so called "politics" /( lack of) human decency into music big-time when he went into a rant at a concert and racially insulted members of his audience

If I wore a hat, I'd certainly take it off to the person who could show me how to properly discuss the Blues without discussing politics.

to both of these.

Nonetheless, I've deleted certain comments that might be (mis)construed as being personal attacks on individual Forumistas. I hope everyone understands - and understands that the essentially political nature of The Blues means that not everybody can dissociate the politics from their enjoymant of the Music.


There - that should make me unpopular with both sides, ready to move on.

[Padraig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LDPUfbXRLM

Yes The Blues is political, but it doesn't have to have anything to do with Politics, does it?

[Ian Thumwood]

to both of these.

Nonetheless, I've deleted certain comments that might be (mis)construed as being personal attacks on individual Forumistas. I hope everyone understands - and understands that the essentially political nature of The Blues means that not everybody can dissociate the politics from their enjoymant of the Music.


There - that should make me unpopular with both sides, ready to move on.

I don't think it is possible to take the politics out of a style of music which is so intrinsically linked to people's social predicaments and that effectively holds up a mirror to society. The strange thing with this thread, as is so often the case, is that when politics are discussed in this forum it is largely in the context of the 1960s or 1970's at the very latest. Given that the thread was started to discuss the replacement of a presenter if of BBC Blues programme in 2018, surely if politics are applicable in the context of such a blues thread then the issues need to be contemporary. As I said on an earlier post, this is exactly what is happening in Blues at the moment with musicians using their music to express their dissatisfaction with Donald Trump, etc,.

I would have to say that Bluesnik's assertion that the Blues are dead and that musicians have nothing to say is, in 2018, hardly less racist than the comments quoted from Clapton. Such a statement is effectively to deny that a decidedly blue collar music has any relevance - a someone dumbass position especially if you stopped listen to Blues in 1968. These kind of statements are almost suggestive that contemporary artists are of no relevance. The suggestion that the Blues was taken over by white artists in the 1960s is not my perception from the gigs I have attended even if I would argue that the potency of the Blues appeals to all sort of people. Even if you had half an ear open to the music, you would realise that the Blues in 2018 are far from being a "minstrel show."

[burning dog]

"I would have to say that Bluesnik's assertion that the Blues are dead and that musicians have nothing to say is, in 2018, hardly less racist than Clapton"

Care to test that theory in the South Bronx or Brixton?

"Hey you the blues/reggae is dead !"

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

"I would have to say that Bluesnik's assertion that the Blues are dead and that musicians have nothing to say is, in 2018, hardly less racist than Clapton"
Care to test that theory in the South Bronx or Brixton?

Given the venom of Clapton's comments, I was taken aback by Ian's "hardly less racist".

[burning dog]

I think one problem is there is now a defined version of what The Blues (as opposed to "blues") is. People complain on youtube that Bessie's Blues by Coltrane is not Blues. Older style Black urban music that has saxes and trumpet is not Blues, unless there is a five minute "rocky" guitar solo involved. I don't think you can compare the range of music on a modern Blues show with a wide ranging concept like "Jazz" The Jazz blues that PJ tends to play is pre WW2 - Fats Waller Jelly Roll etc

There's a bit of the Rolling Stone Magazine "History of Black influenced Popular Music" about the whole thing "It all goes back to Robert Johnson Maaaan! " rather than Armstrong and Bessie Smith.


EDIT


An example, just discovered, of what I'm talking about


The grandfather of Rock and Roll...? "No, of Rock" IMO

but a contributor makes an important point


"The blues was pop music*, it simply wasn't folk music. It was reinvented retroactively as black folk music, which brought a new set of standards to bear on it and created a whole new pantheon of heroes," says Elijah Wald, author of Escaping the Delta: Robert Johnson and the Invention of the Blues. "Blues musicians such as Johnson were not moaning field labourers, they were Sam Cooke, they were Snoop Dogg, they were Aretha Franklin. That's what we've forgotten and that's what a lot of white blues fans don't want them to be."

* And therefore Johnson is no more valid or authentic than Count Basie, Jimmie Lunceford, Louis Jordan or Earl Bostic IMO

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-grandfather-of-rocknroll-the-devils-instrument-409317.html

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

The Today Progam -"So, tell me Robert, do you consider what you do to be blues, jazz, "race music", folk, R&B, country, city, house, pop, rap, hip hop, new jack swing, new romantic, punk, post punk, just what IS IT that you ACTUALLY do... Robert? Mr Johnson?"

John Humprys..."I'm sorry, we seem to have lost the line to Robert Johnson in Greenwood Mississippi there, we'll get straight back to him right after the racing forecast..."

BN.

[burning dog]

just what IS IT that you ACTUALLY do... Robert? Mr Johnson?"

In 1992 you clearly stated you were a FOLK musician. What are the public to make of that?
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I don't think it matters whether "The Blues" is pop or folk, it's a problem for me when some performers are disparaged as selling out to Pop

The race charts which is one of the few reference points for what any ethnic minority, class group listened to, bears out that there were a wide variety of styles listened to and I don't believe that no-one had Nat Cole AND Leadbelly AND Earl Bostic 78s