Paul Jones Blues Show to be axed.

[johncorrigan]

If anyone wants a listen, Cerys has been talking to Georgie Fame this time around for her monthly BBC World Service programme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csvp5b

I really like Paul Jones but get the impression he's done his time. Cerys has been a good advocate for the Blues on her Sunday 6 show - expect plenty Snooks Eaglin and Groundhogs!

[CGR]

I agree he's certainly knowledgeable and personable but so much of that program reminded me a minstrel show that I gave up even checking it. Not wholly his fault as white people singing like they've just walked off a Alabama prison farm with dust pneumonia and then hitched the "Old M4 highway" before "losing their backdoor woman" and enduring "hard luck and Brexit" seems to be where the "blues " has ended up. Somewhat offensively.

BN.

God help us when we cannot enjoy the glorious music of the British 60s blues revival because of stupid political correctness !!!

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

God help us when we cannot enjoy the glorious music of the British 60s blues revival because of stupid political correctness !!!

I for one would never wish to get in the way of 60s nostalgia and people enjoying vacuous (and endless) guitar heroics, Ginger Baker drum solos, clunking versions of old Jimmy Reed tunes, recycled Chuck Berry licks and seventeen year old's singing about "Dusting their broom", or was it "room"? It's been so long..."down highway 49".

"Hey you (political correctness), get off my cloud"

[Ian Thumwood]

I for one would never wish to get in the way of 60s nostalgia and people enjoying vacuous (and endless) guitar heroics, Ginger Baker drum solos, clunking versions of old Jimmy Reed tunes, recycled Chuck Berry licks and seventeen year old's singing about "Dusting their broom", or was it "room"? It's been so long..."down highway 49".

"Hey you (political correctness), get off my cloud"

You are totally missing the point. The reason early ,blues music resonated in the 1960's because people were looking for a change in society and this music, albeit from an earlier generation, expressed a degree of honesty that was absent in British / European popular music in this time. I think it is worth pointing out as well that blues was always a popular music and served a social function during it's heyday. It was never particularly valued by successive generations , especially as the Black community became increasingly urbanised and I think that the continued interest in the music has a lot to do with the revival in it's interest that existed in the 1960's. Of course early practitioners were unlikely to come up with much that was original but I would counter that remark about "endless guitar heroics" simply because the spirit of improvisation is exactly what makes so many bands of this era interesting. If Hendrix was around now, he would be classed as jazz. It would simply be too difficult for a contemporary audience to grasp and would remain "niche."

If is quite easy to scoff at European musicians trying there hand at playing blues but this position simply does not tell the whole story because there is still an audience for blues in the States and it remains a music that I think still remains vital. I would concede that a large part of the audience is now probably white and certainly bleeds over in to rock. However, there are still plenty of really good blues artists out there even if they might no longer sound like Skip James. As I said earlier, I do go to blues gigs from time to time and generally enjoy the music. It is an interesting experience as the audience generally goes to have a good time and the musicians are very much show men. Again, you could get snobby about this too until you realise that the showmanship aspect has always been an element of the blues. True, the artists in the 1920s would have had far harder and hand-to-mouth existent than today but this is true in all walks of life. The music also sounds honest because they were expressing their own experiences and if a 1960's generation were guilty to a degree of "social appropriation" , it was done with the right intentions and because it was simply impossible to make up their own heritage on the spot. However, the initial comment made was so suggest that the blues ceased in the 1960s and nothing after this date is worth considering. It sounds like you have shut off your ears. This is not my experience of listening to Blues and I would strongly reject any notion that the music is so how no longer relevant simple because an earlier generation has now passed on. I would concede that so much of the "tradition" stems from the fact that the music was at it's most popular when economic depression and natural disasters were prescient. These kind of events are not unique to the late 20's / early 30's and artists like this are now referring to Donald Trump in their lyrics.

[Tenor Freak]

I'm guessing Bluesie's referring to the infamous speech Clapton gave in 1977 (?) in which he spewed out anti-immigration and support for Enoch Powell.

Probably around the time Clapton had an assistant whose job was to carry a bottle of Courvoisier and a bottle of lemonade in case Eric needed "refreshment".

[Tenor Freak]

On a more serious note, kids are still getting into "guitar heroics" today, and listening to the old stuff. My son (14) is shedding his axe right now on a selection of old guitar riffs. He wants to play bass, but I've not introduced him to Jaco yet.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Probably around the time Clapton had an assistant whose job was to carry a bottle of Courvoisier and a bottle of lemonade in case Eric needed "refreshment".

Eric Clapton ("is God") 1976, doing his level best to fight Racism, however and wherever it pokes it's evil head...

"....yeah this is what all the fucking foreigners and wogs over here are like, just disgusting, that's just the truth, yeah. So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. You fucking (indecipherable). I don't want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch's our man. I think Enoch's right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fuck's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

Breathtaking, no really. Eat your heart out Oswald Mosley, Martin Webster, Nick Griffin. All together now, "In my white room......"

BN.

[cloughie]

Eric Clapton ("is God") 1976, doing his level best to fight Racism, however and wherever it pokes it's evil head...

"....yeah this is what all the fucking foreigners and wogs over here are like, just disgusting, that's just the truth, yeah. So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. You fucking (indecipherable). I don't want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch's our man. I think Enoch's right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fuck's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

Breathtaking, no really. Eat your heart out Oswald Mosley, Martin Webster, Nick Griffin. All together now, "In my white room......"

BN.

Reveal your source BN.

[Serial_Apologist]

Reveal your source BN.

Possibly this, which I found by googling "Eric Clapton racism":-

https://www.thedailybeast.com/eric-clapton-apologizes-for-racist-past-i-sabotaged-everything

[Jazzrook]

Eric Clapton ("is God") 1976, doing his level best to fight Racism, however and wherever it pokes it's evil head...

"....yeah this is what all the fucking foreigners and wogs over here are like, just disgusting, that's just the truth, yeah. So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. You fucking (indecipherable). I don't want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch's our man. I think Enoch's right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fuck's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

Breathtaking, no really. Eat your heart out Oswald Mosley, Martin Webster, Nick Griffin. All together now, "In my white room......"

BN.

Richard Williams mentions Eric Clapton's "dreadful racist outburst" in his review of the recent film about Clapton 'Life in 12 Bars'.

https://www.thebluemoment.com/2018/01/11/the-clapton-movie/

JR

[Ian Thumwood]

Still struggling to see what relevance Eric Clapton is to the current Blues scene.

[cloughie]

Still struggling to see what relevance Eric Clapton is to the current Blues scene.

Also he spent most of the 70s either in a drug or alcohol induced haze, which did little for his music or his head!

[burning dog]

Still struggling to see what relevance Eric Clapton is to the current Blues scene.

None, but a discussion started about the 60s UK "Blues Boom"

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BN
At least Manfred Mann/Paul Jones seemed to have a genuine political consciousness. The above lacks Coleman Hawkins of course

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

None, but a discussion started about the 60s UK "Blues Boom"

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BN
At least Manfred Mann/Paul Jones seemed to have a genuine political consciousness. The above lacks Coleman Hawkins of course

As I said above, Paul Jones played a large benefit gig for the Socialist Labour League/almost WRP, in the early 1970s. '72 or '73 from memory. It was ostensibly for a UK Young Socialist Right to Work march so maybe he wasn't fully aware of the entire background. Anyway, all credit to him. Slade were also on that bill and nearly deafened me, as was Vinegar Joe (Robert Palmer/Elkie Brooks). The WRP did know how to put on a show! Revolutionary Repertory compliments, the Redgraves.

And "very unintended consequences", out of Clapton's poison came Rock against Racism...

Btw, Clapton was not alone in Britland, David Bowie's peon of praise for Fascism "to wipe away Britain's flaccid liberalism", Elvis Costello calling Ray Charles "a fking N.........", and Brian Ferry cheerleading Nazi and Waffen SS uniforms as chic and cool. Fkwits all.

BN.

[Lat-Literal]

As I said above, Paul Jones played a large benefit gig for the Socialist Labour League/almost WRP, in the early 1970s. '72 or '73 from memory. It was ostensibly for a UK Young Socialist Right to Work march so maybe he wasn't fully aware of the entire background. Anyway, all credit to him. Slade were also on that bill and nearly deafened me, as was Vinegar Joe (Robert Palmer/Elkie Brooks). The WRP did know how to put on a show! Revolutionary Repertory compliments, the Redgraves.

And "very unintended consequences", out of Clapton's poison came Rock against Racism...

Btw, Clapton was not alone in Britland, David Bowie's peon of praise for Fascism "to wipe away Britain's flaccid liberalism", Elvis Costello calling Ray Charles "a fking N.........", and Brian Ferry cheerleading Nazi and Waffen SS uniforms as chic and cool. Fkwits all.

BN.

Never loved Eric. The links between the Clapton speech and that Bowie phase are 1976 and cocaine. Cocaine has been proven to be a major cause of fascism. WRP or National Front? It was the same simple choice as mods and rockers. Or rockers and mods.....even in one aged 31 who covered Marley not because he liked the song but because someone suggested that it would sell well. When the two met, Marley approved. Sadly old Clappers couldn't understand what Bob was saying. As for the Ferrys, many are more likely to be seen at a hunt than sailing across the Mersey. Love is a drug but chasing the fox is addiction in a non transgender cape. Nazi chic continued on into punk and beyond it. Joy Division. New Order. Curtis died.

Someone I knew spent the week in a black arm band if not a black shirt, goose stepping through the snickleways. Whether that sets the scene for Costello's excuse may or may not be found in Oliver's Army. I must have heard it a thousand times and not realised there was a W word in it. I am aware that the Rollmop Stones wanted 25% of the proceeds for playing Glastonbury. It seems that Alan Price resisted providing his tracks to Spotify for longer than McCartney. But then there is Burdon and Morrison and, well, you were there and I was being pushed through the woods in my pram and it was lovely. Still, there's a 1, 2 and 3 here. Not just a 1 and 2. Before the 1960s, of the 1960s and after the 1960s. With a 1 and 2 the Catatonian might have a problem but there is plenty of 3 to dilute the significance of 2, enabling what there is of 2 to be in tune with social democracy or, erm, caring conservatism.