Trouble in t' La La Land

[Serial_Apologist]

Why is a thread about "La La Land" on the Jazz Bored anyway?

I put it under that heading because we were told it's a film about jazz.

[Serial_Apologist]

I took the 'resurrecting jazz' theme as a metaphor for resurrecting the Musical.

I think that hits the nail right on the head. Anybody with a deep love of jazz and appreciation of its history and evolution will find the music in this film as vapid as this article's writer's attempt to draw parallels between its putative but in fact non-existent jazz references, to musicals and their function in times demanding reality diversions.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

"Sure once I was young and impulsive
I wore every conceivable pin
Even went to the socialist meetings
Learned all the old union hymns
Ah, but I've grown older and wiser
And that's why I'm turning YOU in
So love me, love me
Love ME....
I'm a liberal"

Phil Ochs.

BN.

We need distractions to distract us from our distractions... Eliot?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Political correctness, very hard won, was and is basic decency.

[Jazzrook]

Why all the hostility to the poor old Grauniad on this bored? Some of their commentators irritate me but at least they don't have a billionaire proprietor to satisfy and try to tell the truth about the world.
Surely the venal, rightwing, pro-Brexit/Trump press(Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun etc.) is a more worthy target?

JR

[Manupstairs]

Absolutely agree.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Why all the hostility to the poor old Grauniad on this bored? Some of their commentators irritate me but at least they don't have a billionaire proprietor to satisfy and try to tell the truth about the world.
Surely the venal, rightwing, pro-Brexit/Trump press(Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun etc.) is a more worthy target?

JR

How about its vindictive petulance when criticised, its core Blair/Clinton hagiography and belief system, its USP of feigned indignation and its ACTUAL terror of any systemic change, its history of attacks on Bevan and the left, through to the Miners Strike, SDP "house journal", support for Libdem as anything but the left, and the current obsessive attacks on Corbyn from all, Owen Jones to their fkwit 'art critic" ... It is at issue because it acts as the gatekeeper to what is "permissible on the left". Its poison. As Steve Bell says, it was a SDP crap sheet and still is. As to the Scott Trust, just look at its Corporate membership...not out of place on the Telegraph.

It hemorrhaged its core readership and sailed further right in search of America. I'm 70 and I began reading it when I was 16. Sometimes you have to grow up and shed illusions. Change does not come through Guardianista liberalism but OVER it.

BN.

[jayne lee wilson]

How about its vindictive petulance when criticised, its core Blair/Clinton hagiography and belief system, its USP of feigned indignation and its ACTUAL terror of any systemic change, its history of attacks on Bevan and the left, through to the Miners Strike, SDP "house journal", support for Libdem as anything but the left, and the current obsessive attacks on Corbyn from all, Owen Jones to their fkwit 'art critic" ... It is at issue because it acts as the gatekeeper to what is "permissible on the left". Its poison. As Steve Bell says, it was a SDP crap sheet and still is. As to the Scott Trust, just look at its Corporate membership...not out of place on the Telegraph.

It hemorrhaged its core readership and sailed further right in search of America. I'm 70 and I began reading it when I was 16. Sometimes you have to grow up and shed illusions. Change does not come through Guardianista liberalism but OVER it.

BN.

The lies-per-line, alternative facts and post-truths in this post are worthy of the most servile of Republican Senators. It would have been better to read the said publication before pronouncing upon it, but that's not what the current Republican philosophy is about, is it?

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

The lies-per-line, alternative facts and post-truths in this post are worthy of the most servile of Republican Senators. It would have been better to read the said publication before pronouncing upon it, but that's not what the current Republican philosophy is about, is it?

Jesus! You really do have the Toynbee Syndrome! Polly's Pollyanna as its known on the fifth floor. Only cure, a long vacation in Tuscany. Because you're worth it.

BN.

[teamsaint]

"Post -truth " is a dangerous and divisive expression, IMO.
it seems to be synonymous with " Things I don't like or agree with".

The implication seems to be that truth is somehow held by certain groups, or disappeared at a certain time, and by implication that truth had been somehow more present at these other times and places.

We could consider" post truth and Vietnam," or "post truth and the lies of the drug industry," or any one of a thousand issues, including especially anything to do with politics. The left is not immune.

Post truth and JFK. Now that would be endless.....


Pointing out the flaws in arguments or systems, now that at least has value.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

"The question is", said Alice, " Is whether you can make words mean so many things". "The QUESTION IS", replied Humpty Dumpty scornfully, " Is who is to be Master, that is all!"

An entire political practice in that (pre post modernism) exchange! I'm with Alice.

BN.

[jayne lee wilson]

"Post -truth " is a dangerous and divisive expression, IMO.
it seems to be synonymous with " Things I don't like or agree with".

The implication seems to be that truth is somehow held by certain groups, or disappeared at a certain time, and by implication that truth had been somehow more present at these other times and places.

We could consider" post truth and Vietnam," or "post truth and the lies of the drug industry," or any one of a thousand issues, including especially anything to do with politics. The left is not immune.

Post truth and JFK. Now that would be endless.....


Pointing out the flaws in arguments or systems, now that at least has value.

"Post-truth"... ? "Things I don't like or don't agree with"? No not at all, I was thinking of it in the OED's word-of-the-year terms....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37995600

#22 is full of the all-too-typical negative emotion and not much else.

[teamsaint]

How the OED define it, and how it is (mis) used and understood day to day can be very different things.

I happen to think it is very unhelpful, because of the inevitable conclusion of an era of "truth".

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Just to return to the original point of this thread, I see this film was made by the same guy who made the appalling "Whiplash"...no laughing at the back of the stalls.

BN.

[CGR]

Tell me how the Guardian is "bankrupt in ideology" when it is all we have to tell us the truth

Its more biased than the BBC !!!