Not sure quite what to make of this Grauniad article, having no intention of seeing the fillum, which I imagine as a sort of American Poliakov-style overboiled bon-bon.
What do others think?
What do others think?
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostNot sure quite what to make of this Grauniad article, having no intention of seeing the fillum, which I imagine as a sort of American Poliakov-style overboiled bon-bon.
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"None of this is to suggest that the film is exactly racist. Sebastian romanticizes Parker simply because he lived and died before jazz started to change for the first time." - I gave up at this point. The Guardian is heading for another £90m loss this year. Deservedly.
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I've seen La La Land, it's very entertaining. Not completely a piece of fluff, and well intentioned. It will be crucified because this year is the year of Black Americans in the real LA LA land after they were 'snubbed ' last year in the Oscars. It is a shame that harmless entertainment has to be snagged in the minefield of identity politicsComment
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Richard Morrison made similar points in The Times.Comment
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I thought 'La La Land' was one of the most overrated films I'd ever seen. I was amazed that it has received Oscar noninations. The link to Jazz is tenuous anyway. In my view I hope it sinks without trace. A nightmare would be being forced to watch it twice.Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostNot sure quite what to make of this Grauniad article, having no intention of seeing the fillum, which I imagine as a sort of American Poliakov-style overboiled bon-bon.
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At the weekend, I was speaking to my sister about this film and "overrated" was the same word she used. My wife seems keen to see it so I'm sure we shall end up going along.Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
Best films we have seen recently are "Jackie" and "Manchester by the Sea".Comment
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La La is no masterpiece, and it seems to be getting pummeled for reasons that have nothing to do with the movie itself. Fortunately it's making money. It does attempt to restart the Musical as a genre, and the songs are actually reasonably well integrated into the film so that unlike many musicals it doesn't seem bizarre when the characters burst into song. I took the 'resurrecting jazz' theme as a metaphor for resurrecting the Musical. As you may infer, I am in favor of bringingOriginally posted by gurnemanz View Post
Them back, and eliminating mindless superhero blockbusters.
I've seen virtually every movie this year, thanks to my nephew the film critic who has them all sent to him. Jackie is an incredible downer; we played it Thanksgiving night and boy did that kill the festive dinner. Don't watch unless you have had at least 80 mg of Prozac first. Compared to Jackie Manchester is like a Monty Python sketch, but I agree that it is absorbing and Worthy of awards.
The Black Oriented films are all pretty good-Moonlight, Fences, and Hidden Figures. Girl On A Train is a good thriller. Our favorite was a movie that sank without a trace--Hell or High Water, with Jeff BridgesComment
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The politically-correct numpties at the Guardian are bound to find something wrong with it. They always do.Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostNot sure quite what to make of this Grauniad article, having no intention of seeing the fillum, which I imagine as a sort of American Poliakov-style overboiled bon-bon.
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Political correctness, very hard won, was and is basic decency. Soon to be washed away in the "heroic era" of scum like Farage and Trump. The point with the Guardian is that it is bankrupt, in finance and ideology, and swinging in the breeze to find an audience. Hence they employ US 13 year olds and Jonathan Freedland. Send no flowers.Originally posted by CGR View Post
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Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
Tell me how the Guardian is "bankrupt in ideology" when it is all we have to tell us the truth (from ALL sides - this weekend's magazine asked Trump voters how they felt about him now) about Trump and his Supporters, Farage, UKIP and the Tory Right's anti-democratic hijacking of the deceitful, self-deceived, naive and horrifically misguided Brexit vote?
There is BBC2 Newsnight, heroically asking, in the face of excruciating demands for "balance", all the awkward questions of the grim-faced, militaristic parade of Republican Senatorial Trump apologists, and Ukipian-Tory Brexiteers. Ewan Davis is very good at giving them enough rope.
There is the Mirror and The Indie, but neither are on anything like the level of insight, wit and commentary that the Guardian offers to me and other PROUD MEMBERS.
The Government made it clear today that they will drag us out of the EU EVEN IF the Commons rejects the deal they get in a few years' time. Now, which media outlets will be telling the truth about that elective-dictatorial declaration tonight, or tomorrow, when most of the British press are cheering Brexit on, where "the will of the people" trumps every attempt to restate, or get the courts to uphold, Parliamentary Democracy?
The Guardian has never been better, more scathingly critical of bad government (British or American), or more necessary than it is now! As it seems clear that you scarcely even bother to read it, don't rubbish it!
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(And BTW, if any of you had ACTUALLY READ Noah Gittell's excellent Guardian article on La La Land which SA linked to above, you might just have noticed that it is a very nuanced appreciation and analysis of various social, media and gender issues the film throws up. PRECISELY the kind of depth, integrity and quality it is very hard to find elsewhere.)Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 07-02-17, 20:37.Comment
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But that is always the way with the Oscars as only "worthy" films tend to win or , if not, they will choose a film that plays homage to the perception of Hollywood such as "The artist." Most of the recent "best films" chosen for Oscars are over-rated and frequently as good as the British drama you can find on BBC or Channel 4. The fact that "La La Land" is a musical makes it even less appealing. It may be revitalising an oeuvre but it isn't one I would be that enthusiastic about resurrecting. I much preferred the Lego Batman film although that wasn't as good as the first Lego effort. Hopefully "Despicable Me 3" will be good when that comes out in the summer.Originally posted by CGR View PostComment
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JayneOriginally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
I take it that you must be a school teacher.
Got to say that The Guardian is so worthy that it makes me want to puke. The whole ironic thing about the kind of position taken by publications like the "right on" Guardian is that in expousing Liberalism, it has contributed to the rise of political parties like Ukip. Liberalism has polluted Socialism insofar that the views expressed no onger represent the working classes. It is the voice of a metropolitan, middle class elite who are on a guilt trip , jumpin on an "right on " bandwagon that comes along. Small wonder that it's readership has declined so significantly as there can't be many "Open Unversity" type beardee's around to want to read this rubbish nor is the number of sock and sandal wearing quite so ubiquitous these days.Comment
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....which answers not a single provably truthful point of my own. Who else are you looking to to fight back? "Liberalism" has become strictly meaningless, just a term used for anyone whose ideas you don't agree with. A Tory Brexit spokesperson was asked on Newsnight "who are the liberal elite?" He leaned back in his chair and said, "well..there's a cultural elite, there's a financial elite, there's an intellectual elite...." So now I knew...Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
As for being a schoolteacher - about as far away as you could get - amongst other things to pay the bills, freelance property developer, carer for my 95-year old mum always fighting to get the help and care she needs (I do most of it myself here), LGBT campaigner and proud of that too!
Your use of "schoolteacher" "socks and sandals" "beardees"
only shows up the stereotypes you deal in yourself, utterly bereft of any originality of analysis of what brought about Trump or brexit, or how to get past them to a more wisely-governed world.
If you think the Guardian is merely "worthy" you obviously haven't read it recently, either.Comment
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Missed out the bit about vegetarians !!
Sorry, not a fan of that newspaper. It's reader's are all too pleased with themselves. It is easy to see why this paper might be enthusiastic about "La La Land." The Oscars are almost as irrelevant as the Grammy's. Anyone with an interest in drama will probably look beyond Hollywood where the script writers are a bit lazy and not really committed to producing anything that takes too much thought to digest. As I said, most BBC quality drama would knock Hollywood films in to a cocked hat. Tell me of any Hollywood film in the last 12 months that has been as good as "The night manager" ( even better than the book), "Line of Duty" or even the recent "Apple Tree Yard?"
It is the same with jazz. Most fans are going to look beyond any of the Grammy nominations in the jazz categories especially as so many musicians and independent labels without much clout are putting out the more interesting music. In lauding these kind of institutions, it is only refracting a narrow minded popular culture. If you have a genuine interest, you are going to look beyond this.
Why is a thread about "La La Land" on the Jazz Bored anyway?
Don't expect a sensible response from the Tories ( never voted for them or the Libs) butComment
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Yeah films are just a bit boring recently - I get my drama fixes mostly from Sky Atlantic - Young Pope, True Detective, Westworld, The Night Of etc.Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
oh and one more thing - circulation figures are dropping for MOST newspapers, just as if you didn't know...
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