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  • Serial_Apologist
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    • Dec 2010
    • 38184

    Does anybody know?

    I'm trying to find out about The Jazz Series, a programme series on TV around the early 1980s, compered by Ronnie Scott. Here's a link I came across - it's Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia, the presence of Pete Hartley on fiddle, as much as Ms Thompson's very fetching woolen knitted dress , narrowing it down to early 1980. Leave it on for the second number, "Little Annie-Ooh", dedicated to her then 4-year old daughter, now Anna Gracey, a singer.



    If anyone can tell me which channel it would have been on, I'd be eternally indebted, since I can't find anything on Google. (You'd think there'd be a site devoted to jazz historically broadcast on telly somewhere on t'net, wouldn't you?)
  • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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    • Dec 2010
    • 4353

    #2
    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    I'm trying to find out about The Jazz Series, a programme series on TV around the early 1980s, compered by Ronnie Scott. Here's a link I came across - it's Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia, the presence of Pete Hartley on fiddle, as much as Ms Thompson's very fetching woolen knitted dress , narrowing it down to early 1980. Leave it on for the second number, "Little Annie-Ooh", dedicated to her then 4-year old daughter, now Anna Gracey, a singer.



    If anyone can tell me which channel it would have been on, I'd be eternally indebted, since I can't find anything on Google. (You'd think there'd be a site devoted to jazz historically broadcast on telly somewhere on t'net, wouldn't you?)

    Any use...?

    "Series Four

    Date: Early 1981
    Host: Ronnie Scott
    House band: Ronnie Scott Quartet
    Guests by episode:

    Louis Stewart, Barbara Thompson’s Paraphenalia
    George Coleman
    Stan Tracey Octet
    John Etheridge, Ric Sanders, Colin Bates
    John Dankworth
    Once again, thanks to the people at STV who produced this in the first place"

    Googled this from the Blog of Byasd Opinion (Glasgow) who posts here?!

    BN.

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    • Serial_Apologist
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      • Dec 2010
      • 38184

      #3
      Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
      Any use...?

      "Series Four

      Date: Early 1981
      Host: Ronnie Scott
      House band: Ronnie Scott Quartet
      Guests by episode:

      Louis Stewart, Barbara Thompson’s Paraphenalia
      George Coleman
      Stan Tracey Octet
      John Etheridge, Ric Sanders, Colin Bates
      John Dankworth
      Once again, thanks to the people at STV who produced this in the first place"

      Googled this from the Blog of Byasd Opinion (Glasgow) who posts here?!

      BN.
      Or did!! (what happened to Byasd belongs elsewhere then here.)

      Scottish TV! That would be it I guess - thanks so much Bluesie. Must recheck my own records for accuracy. Surprised to note that Ronnie was not wearing his fur coat!

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      • Lat-Literal
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        • Aug 2015
        • 6983

        #4
        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
        I'm trying to find out about The Jazz Series, a programme series on TV around the early 1980s, compered by Ronnie Scott. Here's a link I came across - it's Barbara Thompson's Paraphernalia, the presence of Pete Hartley on fiddle, as much as Ms Thompson's very fetching woolen knitted dress , narrowing it down to early 1980. Leave it on for the second number, "Little Annie-Ooh", dedicated to her then 4-year old daughter, now Anna Gracey, a singer.



        If anyone can tell me which channel it would have been on, I'd be eternally indebted, since I can't find anything on Google. (You'd think there'd be a site devoted to jazz historically broadcast on telly somewhere on t'net, wouldn't you?)
        I like those clips a lot.

        Much as the 1960s carried into the 1970s but the 1970s seemed new, that is very much the early 1980s with a hint of the 1970s.

        Is that suffix "Ooh" something with precedence?

        I only ask because I thought of "Johnny Johnny Ooh" by Prefab Sprout in the mid 1980s and I wondered if Mcaloon had it in mind.

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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 38184

          #5
          Pffff - you've got me there I'm afraid, Lat.

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          • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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            • Dec 2010
            • 4353

            #6
            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            Pffff - you've got me there I'm afraid, Lat.
            Ronnie's intros don't improve with age..."Barbara one of our finest players and...certainly the best looking etc."

            The George Coleman session from that series however is great.

            BN.

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            • Ian Thumwood
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              • Dec 2010
              • 4361

              #7
              Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
              Ronnie's intros don't improve with age..."Barbara one of our finest players and...certainly the best looking etc."

              The George Coleman session from that series however is great.

              BN.
              Glad to see that someone else shares my discomfort with Scott's presentation style. I love jokes and appreciate a good sense of humour yet Ronnie Scott's supposed "legendary" sense of humour was cringe-worthy. It would be interesting to see if he would have managed to have managed a jazz club for so long in today's culture. Shame Lee Mack wasn't around then.

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              • Old Grumpy
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                • Jan 2011
                • 3693

                #8
                Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
                Glad to see that someone else shares my discomfort with Scott's presentation style. I love jokes and appreciate a good sense of humour yet Ronnie Scott's supposed "legendary" sense of humour was cringe-worthy. It would be interesting to see if he would have managed to have managed a jazz club for so long in today's culture. Shame Lee Mack wasn't around then.
                Lee Mack??*


                *I know who he is, I just wondered what the connection with this discussion was!

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                • burning dog
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                  • Dec 2010
                  • 1515

                  #9
                  Michael McIntyre "You know when you're at dinner party and..."

                  Burning Dog "No...Feck off!"

                  .................................................. .

                  Lee Mack "Do I like Wine? My girlfriend gave me a Semillon only this morning!"

                  I reckon Ronnie Scott would have "given us one" with his tongue in his cheek though, and then we might then have listened to Dexter Gordon or Lee Konitz at a time when any other "modern jazz" concert by an American meant the Dave Brubeck Quartet, Stan Kenton or watered down be-boppers mixing with mainstreamers on a Jazz at the Phil bill

                  PS
                  The Lee Mack wiki page states he is an "outspoken darts fan" Now THAT made me laugh..
                  Last edited by burning dog; 10-03-16, 13:16.

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                  • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 4353

                    #10
                    Originally posted by burning dog View Post
                    Michael McIntyre "You know when you're at dinner party and..."

                    Burning Dog "No...Feck off!"

                    .................................................. .

                    Lee Mack "Do I like Wine? My girlfriend gave me a Semillon only this morning!"

                    I reckon Ronnie Scott would have "given us one" with his tongue in his cheek though, and then we might then have listened to Dexter Gordon or Lee Konitz at a time when any other "modern jazz" concert by an American meant the Dave Brubeck Quartet, Stan Kenton or watered down be-boppers mixing with mainstreamers on a Jazz at the Phil bill

                    PS
                    The Lee Mack wiki page states he is an "outspoken darts fan" Now THAT made me laugh..
                    I remember Ronnie being quick witted and quite acidly funny. That intro to Barbara Thompson jarred a bit though with the passage of time. I doubt that his "anti joke" routine (this is old, tired and unfunny, the real joke is I know that and so do you, so fk you) would still work today. Although Stewart Lee...

                    BN.

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                    • burning dog
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 1515

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
                      I remember Ronnie being quick witted and quite acidly funny. That intro to Barbara Thompson jarred a bit though with the passage of time. I doubt that his "anti joke" routine (this is old, tired and unfunny, the real joke is I know that and so do you, so fk you) would still work today. Although Stewart Lee...

                      BN.
                      What made Scotts jokes about waitresses etc. even at the time a bit off to me was that he was their boss

                      If only we could ask them!

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                      • Ian Thumwood
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 4361

                        #12
                        BD

                        Like so much of the "humour" of that time, Scott's jokes made me cringe. I have never been to his club but the fame and reputation it enjoyed coupled with the wisecracks meant that I have never felt that interested. The whole "myth" of Scott's club is pretty boring, to be honest and something of a badge of honour for people of a certain generation. Going to somewhere like The Village Vanguard would be a dream come true as it has so much culture, high standards and genuine history whilst still being totally relevant today. The Scott club just seems like something that hit it's stride in the 50's and 60's when there was little else in the UK and has dined out of the fact ever since.

                        I have been to a few jazz clubs in the UK , in France and in Copenhagen and there is a totally different ambiance to what you get in a concert venue. Unlike Scott's, I have always felt that the people I encountered there were always in attendance to listen to the music rather than to be seen appearing to. The Concorde Club is a bit odd as well since many of the people who turn out for jazz gigs are there more for the nostalgia aspect than to listen to the music as a serious jazz fan. This is why they have a relatively conservative booking policy. I am not sure how much say Cole Mathieson has in running the club these days even if he is a genuine jazz fan. The gigs I have seen there have generally been ok but I have never seen anything too mind blowing or adventurous - the best gig was the BBC Radio Big Band many years ago but in the past they had bands like Rich and Herman play there as well as Shorty Rogers. There is no dodgy presentation at any of the gigs I have been too and the nearest to objectionable presentation by a tenor player has been when Scott Hamilton was a bit worse for the wear with drink. It has never seemed as committed as the Jazzhaus in Copenhagen which was full of hardcore jazz fans when I went there on a few occasions and the French clubs just seem to be worthwhile celebrating as they are in such unusual towns like Bourges or Ax-les-Thermes.

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                        • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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                          • Dec 2010
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                          #13
                          There's a piece on Utube as part of the Jazz Britannia series with Ronnie and the Club Eleven survivors recalling the "old days". Ronnie is very sharp and funny there, often harmlessly at the expense of the others. I always thought his " jokes" had a mild undertone of menace...or maybe that was the East End thing!

                          BN.

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                          • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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                            • Dec 2010
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                            #14
                            "people of a certain generation"

                            Oi! Come owwwtside an say that whilst I sharpen me knuckles..."

                            Without Ronnie's in that period, what? The Dancing Slipper? He brought players over to a CLUB environment. Other than that it was Paris or Copenhagen. And provided a significant space for the '68 scene of new British jazz when he didn't need to. Some of the best musical nights of my life were spent there, he even let me in when I was 15 and "pushy"! Faults yes, but do NOT be blind to the immense achievements.

                            BN.

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                            • Serial_Apologist
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                              • Dec 2010
                              • 38184

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
                              "people of a certain generation"

                              Oi! Come owwwtside an say that whilst I sharpen me knuckles..."

                              Without Ronnie's in that period, what? The Dancing Slipper? He brought players over to a CLUB environment. Other than that it was Paris or Copenhagen. And provided a significant space for the '68 scene of new British jazz when he didn't need to. Some of the best musical nights of my life were spent there, he even let me in when I was 15 and "pushy"! Faults yes, but do NOT be blind to the immense achievements.

                              BN.


                              If that were not true you wouldn't have Sonny Rollins speaking as he did about staying in the club overnight alone, imbibing its atmosphere, and composing the music to "Alfie".

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