1959.....what if

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  • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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    • Dec 2010
    • 4353

    #16
    Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
    There was a third group on the bill as well, I believe.
    There was Chet Baker with Zoot Sims (with Mose Allison on piano), Sonny Rollins trio , Dizzy with Lee Morgan and Golson, and Billie Holiday headlining . It was a benefit with an early and late show, 8.30 and Midnight.

    Ray & band played Doodlin, Undecided, Hallelujah I love her, I want a little girl, Dancing in the dark, C Jam blues.

    BN.

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    • cloughie
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      • Dec 2011
      • 22270

      #17
      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      "The trouble is, someone forgot to tell Eric he was supposed to be Ornette Coleman in that group" - Jack Bruce.
      I guess Eric never aspired to be a jazzer - to this day i think his biggest error after Cream was when linking up with Stevie Winwood to form Blind Faith should have recruited Jim Capaldi - much more laid back stick man than Ginger. Mind you, if BF had been a success Derek would not have played Dominoes.

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      • cloughie
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        • Dec 2011
        • 22270

        #18
        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
        Jon Hiseman would be the person to talk to on that subject. After all it was he who came in to the ORGANisation as it neared its end, and tried to clear up its finances while at the same time clearing up Graham's blood off the toilet walls in motorway service areas. Before that I'd always assumed that of the other two it was Ginger who was the chief antagonist, but as Jon will point it out, in their case it took two to tango. Many years later Ginger is on video admitting his drumming to be much better than it had been under stimulants, though I don't think he's ever really dealt with the anger issues, and probably wouldn't sue me for saying so.

        Dick Heckstall-Smith's book "The Safest Place in the World", and Jon's, "Playing the Band", are very revealing about how much narcotics and booze contributed to that era - not always negatively so but mostly.

        As to what it was that was attributable for the drugs in ways different from black urban America in the '40s and '50s, a generation as much emotionally damaged by WW2 and British buttoned up ways of dealing with that as benefitting from the NHS etc...
        Post Bond Hiseman and Heckstall-Smith were Colosseum and joined Jack Bruce and John McLaughlin on 'Things we Like' - arguably Bruce's best album.
        Nothing to do with 1959 - was this not the year that two Jazz greats got together to make an LP - Oscar Peterson meets Ben Webster.

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