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  • Beef Oven!
    Ex-member
    • Sep 2013
    • 18147

    The New Tony Williams Lifetime - Believe It (1975)

    Although I’ve had this CD since about 1991 I’ve not listened to it more than about ten times. The first track, 'Snake Oil' is far too Rockist (ok, it’s a fusion album, but even so). Happily the next track 'Fred' features some impossibly virtuosic guitar runs by Allan Holdsworth, as do the next two as well. Tony Williams' drumming throughout is what you’d expect from one of the most talented drummers ever, but I can’t help thinking that he’s wasted playing rock, which is what a lot of this album is. Well I guess it’s what he wanted to do at that moment in time, so why not? I’m not putting rock, or rock drummers down, it’s just that jazz offers more breathing space.

    Edit: Such a fluid solo from AH on Mr Spock, but TW’s amazing simultaneous drumming is distracting! (no pleasing some people!)


    Last edited by Beef Oven!; 16-05-17, 11:07.

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    • Stanfordian
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 9314

      ‘Love, Gloom, Cash, Love’
      Herbie Nichols with George Duvivier & Dannie Richmond
      Blue Note (1957)

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      • Stanfordian
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 9314

        ‘Hi Voltage’
        Hank Mobley with Jackie McLean, Blue Mitchell, John Hicks, Bob Cranshaw & Billy Higgins
        Blue Note (1967)

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        • Jazzrook
          Full Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 3084

          A recent discovery for me was drummer Specs Powell's 1957 album 'Movin' In'(ROULETTE).
          It was his only album as leader with arrangements by trumpeter Ray Copeland and deserves to be more widely known.

          Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


          JR

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          • Stanfordian
            Full Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 9314

            ‘Tom Cat’
            Lee Morgan with Curtis Fuller, Jackie McLean, McCoy Tyner, Bob Cranshaw & Art Blakey
            Blue Note (1964)

            Late night listening!

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            • Stanfordian
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 9314

              ‘Reminiscin'’
              Gigi Gryce with Richard Gene Williams, Richard Rylands, Reggie Workman, Eddie Costa & Bob Thomas
              New Jazz (1960)

              For later!

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              • Tenor Freak
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 1057

                Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                ‘Hi Voltage’
                Hank Mobley with Jackie McLean, Blue Mitchell, John Hicks, Bob Cranshaw & Billy Higgins
                Blue Note (1967)
                Was listening to this one on my vinyl copy earlier. Excellent.

                Now playing: Hank Mobley - Roll Call
                all words are trains for moving past what really has no name

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                • Stanfordian
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 9314

                  ‘Jug’
                  Gene Ammons with Richard Wyands, Clarence Anderson, Doug Watkins & JC Heard
                  Prestige (1961)

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                  • Stanfordian
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 9314

                    ‘The Complete 1960 Sextet Jazz Cellar Session’
                    Ben Webster & Johnny Hodges with Lou Levy, Herb Ellis, Wilfred Middlebrooks, Gus Johnson
                    Wax Time (1960)

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                    • Stanfordian
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 9314

                      ‘On the Spur of the Moment’
                      Horace Parlan with Tommy Turrentine, Stanley Turrentine, George Tucker & Al Harewood
                      Blue Note (1961)

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                      • Stanfordian
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 9314

                        ‘Jazz Contrasts’
                        Kenny Dorham with Sonny Rollins, Hank Jones, Oscar Pettiford, Max Roach & Betty Glamann
                        Riverside (1957)

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                        • Stanfordian
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 9314

                          'Night Hawk'
                          Coleman Hawkins with Eddie 'Lockjaw' Davis, Tommy Flanagan, Ron Carter & Gus Johnson
                          Swingville (1961)

                          For late listening!

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                          • Ian Thumwood
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 4183

                            Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                            ‘Jazz Contrasts’
                            Kenny Dorham with Sonny Rollins, Hank Jones, Oscar Pettiford, Max Roach & Betty Glamann
                            Riverside (1957)
                            I bought the Avid 2-CD set of Kenny D0rham albums which included the ballad album and another where he was unwise enough to sing. The ballad disc is ok but harldy essential whereas the second sic comprises two live set featuring Jackie McLean. These records are nothing short of sensational, a dream front line pairing with the second of the two sets including Bobby Timmons in excellent form on piano.

                            I would have to be honest that jazz trumpet in the fifties / early sixties is dominated in my opinion by the twin pillars of Miles Davis and Dizzy Gillespie. Later on, I think that Freddie Hubbard truly added something to the possibilities but I just feel that Kenny Dorham is probably the most interesting trumpeter of that era. I know it is fashionable to praise the work of Clifford Brown and that what he produced was effectively the work on someone at the start of their career but I feel that Kenny Dorham is far more interesting on so many different perspectives. I find that he seems to think more about his solos and that he uses the timbre of his instrument to far greater effect than most of his contemporaries. In some respects, I don't think that he even thinks like a trumpeter when he solos. Dorham is pretty mesmerising as a soloist, a compelling improviser who was pretty switched on harmonically and also a terrific composer to boot. If you wanted to compile a list of under-rated jazz musicians, Dorham would be the first name you might put down.

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                            • Stanfordian
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 9314

                              Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
                              I bought the Avid 2-CD set of Kenny D0rham albums which included the ballad album and another where he was unwise enough to sing. The ballad disc is ok but harldy essential whereas the second sic comprises two live set featuring Jackie McLean. These records are nothing short of sensational, a dream front line pairing with the second of the two sets including Bobby Timmons in excellent form on piano.

                              I would have to be honest that jazz trumpet in the fifties / early sixties is dominated in my opinion by the twin pillars of Miles Davis and Dizzy Gillespie. Later on, I think that Freddie Hubbard truly added something to the possibilities but I just feel that Kenny Dorham is probably the most interesting trumpeter of that era. I know it is fashionable to praise the work of Clifford Brown and that what he produced was effectively the work on someone at the start of their career but I feel that Kenny Dorham is far more interesting on so many different perspectives. I find that he seems to think more about his solos and that he uses the timbre of his instrument to far greater effect than most of his contemporaries. In some respects, I don't think that he even thinks like a trumpeter when he solos. Dorham is pretty mesmerising as a soloist, a compelling improviser who was pretty switched on harmonically and also a terrific composer to boot. If you wanted to compile a list of under-rated jazz musicians, Dorham would be the first name you might put down.
                              What are the titles please of those Kenny Dorham album(s) you refer to with Jackie McLean?

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                              • Serial_Apologist
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 37691

                                Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
                                I bought the Avid 2-CD set of Kenny D0rham albums which included the ballad album and another where he was unwise enough to sing.
                                Beautiful!!!

                                I know it is fashionable to praise the work of Clifford Brown and that what he produced was effectively the work on someone at the start of their career but I feel that Kenny Dorham is far more interesting on so many different perspectives. I find that he seems to think more about his solos and that he uses the timbre of his instrument to far greater effect than most of his contemporaries. In some respects, I don't think that he even thinks like a trumpeter when he solos. Dorham is pretty mesmerising as a soloist, a compelling improviser who was pretty switched on harmonically and also a terrific composer to boot. If you wanted to compile a list of under-rated jazz musicians, Dorham would be the first name you might put down.
                                I have to say I agree. Clifford Brown is sometimes cited as the man who stylistically bridged Miles and Diz, while at the same time perfecting Fat's Navarro's incompleted approach. There is a live CB quintet or quartet recording which I overheard being trialled in a record shop many moons ago, which suggested a harmonically adventurous player, but in general - maybe it's because I've only listened to studio albums - Brown comes across as just too safe as well as too clean in his timbre; there's also something I find irritatingly staccato in his manner of playing.

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