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  • Ian Thumwood
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    • Dec 2010
    • 4184

    I was minded to write this post prompted by the exchange of comments with Richard Barrett concerning the current state of play of jazz and the fact I felt that there was still really innovative and creative music being made but this was hidden by the need to really hunt this music. The latest CD that I have just acquired is a really good case in point and is something I think he would find much to enjoy about it. For me, the appeal of jazz often comes from discovering something fresh and original but I think the late Mario Pavone's "Isabella" is a fascinating disc because so much is unfamiliar. The music is performed by a quartet consisting of the bassist, his guitar-playing son Michael, drummer Mike Sarin and altoist Mike DiRubbo but the arrangements were written by trumpter Dave Ballou who does not appear on this disc. Ballou is featured an another Mario Pavone record called "Blue Vertical" which was issued simultaneously and shares approximately 50% of the same material.

    I have to say I am totally bowled over by this disc. I have never heard of Mike DiRubbo but he is another former pupilo of Jackie McLean whose career resume is more within the jazz mainstream. On this record, I felt that there were echoes of the likes of Steve Coleman and Steve Lehman in his playing and have been surprised that someone this good appears to be so under the wire. However, this is nothing compared Michael Pavone who is exceptional on this record. He is the most exciting guitarist I have discovered for a long while and, judging by his performance on this record, it is shocking that he is totally unfamiliar. I suppose you would pitch him somewhere between John Abercrombie and Kevin Eubanks in tone although in the context of this group this is probably freer and certainly more outside. This is a record that had received some very positive reviews and it was clear on first listen that this is a very interesting record indeed. It gets better and better with each listen. If you wanted to describe this group the obvious parallel would be something like Dave Holland's "Extensions" band but without the M-Base influence plus a tendency to burn at a lower temperature. "Blue Vertical" is almost glacial in tempo yet remains compelling. One of the tracks is dedicated to the proto-avant gardist Dick Twardzik with the music seeming to build up intensity as the CD works it's way to the conclusion.

    I had always associated Mario Pavone as the bassist with the great Thomas Chapin and also knew he had worked extensively with Anthony Braxton. He is like an oak on this record. What I had not appreciated was his reputation as a jazz composer nor that he had a body of work behind him which consistently received high critical esteem. I was not aware of him beyond being a sideman yet his back catalogue is strongly suggestive that I had overlooked a major player in contemporary jazz. The themes are quite complex but not to the extent that they are unpenetrable. Of course, the musicians on this disc are all in their fifties and unfortunately Mario Pavone passed on earlier this year after a long battle with cancer. I am really keen to explore his music further. On the evidence of this album you would have to ask yourself how jazz as good as this can get overlooked.

    In summary, this is a absolutely brilliant record and typifies for me what jazz should be like in the 2020s. There is not a hint of modishness about it and the whole disc is purely about the process of making great music. Plenty on this record to enjoy as I would suggest that is is something Richard would love as well as appealing to the broader spectrum of the regulars in here. In my opinion, records like this make it worthwhile explore the less obvious corners of jazz and seem to offer evidence that it is the smaller, independent labels such a Clean Feed who issued this disc who are releasing the defining jazz of these times.

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    • Joseph K
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      • Oct 2017
      • 7765

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      • Joseph K
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        • Oct 2017
        • 7765

        The final record of Miles with Wayne Shorter...

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        • Stanfordian
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          • Dec 2010
          • 9314

          'So Much Guitar' – Wes Montgomery
          with Ron Carter, Lex Humphries, Ray Barretto & Hank Jones
          Riverside (1961)

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          • Quarky
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            • Dec 2010
            • 2660

            Mary Holverson Quartet - John Zorn's Bagatelles :: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3OANHjdOAk

            A wilder side to Mary (but may be a second guitar in there?).

            John Zorn? I seem to recall he used to feature on R3 jazz programmes, but has now dipped below the radar.
            Last edited by Quarky; 04-12-21, 10:14.

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            • Jazzrook
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              • Mar 2011
              • 3084

              Lee Konitz Sextet with Miles Davis, Sal Mosca, Billy Bauer, Arnold Fishkin & Max Roach playing George Russell's 'Ezz-Thetic' in 1951:

              Provided to YouTube by Universal Music GroupEzz-Thetic · Miles Davis · Lee KonitzConception℗ 1975 Prestige Records, Inc.Released on: 1992-01-01Producer: Bob ...


              JR

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              • Joseph K
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                • Oct 2017
                • 7765

                Recently uploaded...

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                • Joseph K
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                  • Oct 2017
                  • 7765

                  First disk of Miles Davis - Live in Europe 1969: The Bootleg Series Vol. 2

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                  • Jazzrook
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                    • Mar 2011
                    • 3084

                    Horace Silver Quintet with Clifford Jordan, Art Farmer, Teddy Kotick & Louis Hayes playing 'The Outlaw' in 1958:

                    Track#1 from the album "Further explorations". Horace Sliver (pno), Art Farmer (tpt), Cliiford Jordan (T sax), Teddy Kotick (db), Louis Hayes (dr).


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                    • Ian Thumwood
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 4184

                      Originally posted by Quarky View Post
                      Mary Holverson Quartet - John Zorn's Bagatelles :: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3OANHjdOAk

                      A wilder side to Mary (but may be a second guitar in there?).

                      John Zorn? I seem to recall he used to feature on R3 jazz programmes, but has now dipped below the radar.
                      The second guitar is Miles Okazaki. He has a new duo album out with drummer Dan Wiess which seems very tempting but, in a sign of future developments, the cost of the CD version is extortionate and a little prohibitive.

                      I saw the John Zorn tour in 2019 which celebrrated his 65th birthday and included a wealth of talent that included MH but also Dave Dougals, Julian Lage, Craig Taborn, Kris Davis and an effective list of everyone whose music is relevant today. It was a brilliant gig, each group being assigned three Bagatelles across a range of styles. I am not sure if John Zorn has dipped below the radar although I think that things have moved on from the whole Downtown movement of the 1980s. In my opinion, these musicians strike me as being typical of where the music is these days and somewhat counter to the position that Richard had taken on this thread about the paucity of creativity in the current jazz scene.

                      It is a bit depressing that you find the press hyping up alot of uninspiring music whereas I feel that there is plenty of really creative jazz being produced which is not getting the attention it deserves. The recent Mario Pavone disc is a great case in point. I bet that this is a disc no one else on this board has checked out or was even aware of. Even the excellent reviews it has recieved online seem to been unable to raise it's profile. I am finding this so often with the jazz I listen to. You have to go out and actively find the music as the printed press is nowhere as near as influential as it once was and the recent Covid restrictions mean musicians have not done much touring to promote their work.

                      One for Elmo....

                      I have been listening a lot to Mike LeDonne's excellent "Groover Quartet" and Elmo has also shared his passion. I often bought their latest CD as part of my Dad's Christmas present as he loved organ jazz. Listening to the three quartet albums this week, I think that this band is critically under-appreciated. I believe they regularly have a gig at Smoke or one of the NYC clubs and have a cult following in the States. Over hear, there is a suspicion of jazz that grooves which means they do not enjoy the same kind of following. Personally, I think the combination of LeDonne's Hammond with tenor man Eric Alexander, guitarist peter Bernstein and drummer John Fanrsworth is right on the money. I love their combination of originals, Jazz classics and 60's / 70's Soul numbers which is firmly centred on jazz as opposed to funk. I am really surprised that Bluesnik has never mentioned the tenor playing of Eric Alexander as he strikes mea being firmly in the camp of players like Harold Land who took on board what coltrane was about yet never let if effect how he played. The more I listen, the most I am impressed by Eric Alexander.

                      I grabbed the latest Groover quartet release which includes the backing of Dennis Mackrel's big band and this maybe the best release to date. The music recalls some of Jimmy Smith's work with Oliver Nelson although the repertoire is more ostensibly Bop orientated with arrangements of music by Lee Morgan and Grant Green. There is a quartet ballad performance of a tune called "Still" where I feel Eric Alexander is imperious. There are a few blues one the album too as well as a nod to Mike LeDonne's former boss Milt Jackson. All in all, I feel that this quartet gets the "feel" of the music absolutely spot on and even if they are playing music by the Jacksons, the style is effectively straight ahead Hard Bop. There is no attempt to be modish or funky and I think represents a body of work that is now on par with Jimmy Smith. I would suggest this is an essential disc for Elmo and one Bluesnik would very much enjoy too.

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                      • Stanfordian
                        Full Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 9314


                        'Bluesy Burrell' – Kenny Burrell

                        with Coleman Hawkins with Tommy Flanagan, Major Holley, Eddie Locke & Ray Barretto
                        Moodsville (1962)

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                        • Joseph K
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2017
                          • 7765

                          'Isabella' by Mario Pavone

                          I liked the first two tracks, which, like the one that's currently playing - the fifth, 'Good Treble' - seem like vague descendants of 'Freedom Jazz Dance' as it appears on Miles Smiles. The third and fourth tracks were, however, rather anaemic, and come to think about it, this quality sort of pervades even the tracks that are more listenable. The guitarist is very good but I think I would like the rhythm section (drums & bass here) to get more involved - this is a quality I love in the jazz I love like 60s Miles, Tony Williams etc. The seventh song just started. I feel like the music needs something to disrupt it, though this seventh track is one of the better ones. I have to say, though this is his band, the bassist sort of plods a lot. Now I'm on the last track, too bad it's short, it sounds alright. Overall, not bad in general, but a tendency to lack a raison d'etre - not too memorable, I'm not sure I'll feel the need to repeat the experience.

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                          • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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                            • Dec 2010
                            • 4286

                            Harold Mabern - "Mabern plays Coltrane", currently available, with Eric Alexander, Vincent Herring, Steve Davis etc. "Impressions".
                            With respect to Ian, I've always found Alexander to be an assembler of styles, Dexter, Turrentine, Trane etc etc, rather than a particularly original stylist himself, but he seems to have come a long way here...

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                            • Joseph K
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                              • Oct 2017
                              • 7765

                              I just discovered this album - never knew it existed before.

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                              • Ian Thumwood
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 4184

                                Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                                'Isabella' by Mario Pavone

                                I liked the first two tracks, which, like the one that's currently playing - the fifth, 'Good Treble' - seem like vague descendants of 'Freedom Jazz Dance' as it appears on Miles Smiles. The third and fourth tracks were, however, rather anaemic, and come to think about it, this quality sort of pervades even the tracks that are more listenable. The guitarist is very good but I think I would like the rhythm section (drums & bass here) to get more involved - this is a quality I love in the jazz I love like 60s Miles, Tony Williams etc. The seventh song just started. I feel like the music needs something to disrupt it, though this seventh track is one of the better ones. I have to say, though this is his band, the bassist sort of plods a lot. Now I'm on the last track, too bad it's short, it sounds alright. Overall, not bad in general, but a tendency to lack a raison d'etre - not too memorable, I'm not sure I'll feel the need to repeat the experience.
                                Joseph

                                I was interested in Mario Pavone having heard him as a member of Thomas Chapin's trio back in the 1990s. He always had an association with the avant garde but he was someone I had lost track of.

                                The reviews of both "Isabella"and "Blue Vertical" have all tended to be very favourable:-

                                https://www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1007637686/mario-pavone-is-as-powerful-as-ever-on-final-albums-blue-vertical-and-isabella?t=1638897317528

                                On stage, Mario Pavone doesn’t move like other bass players; his hands follow different routes around the neck. He likes splayed intervals: a low G plus a high B a tenth above it, say. It comes from his visualizing the fingerboard as if…


                                http://https://www.allaboutjazz.com/...s-mario-pavone

                                Seventy-five percent of the Tampa Quartet's repertoire is repeated on the "Blue Vertical" album where it is played by a quartet with Dave Ballou's trumpet out front. This disc is more "outside" than the group featuring his son on guitar . For me, this kind of jazz is really precious. The Tampa Quartet strikes me as having the same cerebral and studied coolness of the likes of Dave Brubeck or even Lennie Tristano. Pavone's compositions take some effort to understand and , I would suggest, not something that you are likely to get at first listen. I have to say that my interest was pizued by the reviews I had read and that, on first listen, you are aware that something significant is happening. After repeated listening, I think it evenutally become apparent how in tune these four musicians are with each other. The leader's bass is often underscoring the melodies and rather than "plodding along", my take is that he is listening intently to what is going on around him. He is trying to avoid playing the predictable. All four musicians are listening to each other. In addition, Dave Ballou's arrangement s offer an interesting context for Mario Pavone's music to be heard. I love the way that Mike Sarin's drums compliment exactly what is happening around him.

                                I agree that the the music does not jump out and grab you by the throat. However, I feel that this quartet is burning on a slow fuse and offers a different kind of excitement whereby the tension exists in understanding where the music will go. They are really thinking about what they are playing. I have ordered "Blue Vertical" as I am fascinated to see how this music will now be interpreted in the context of a group who have a looser appreciation of time. For me, this kind of music is what makes listening to jazz worthwhile. You sense that the stakes are high and there is absolutely no need for grandstanding or showmanship as Mario Pavone and his cohorts are letting the music do all the talking.

                                What is appealing to me is that this music is clearly "jazz" but that all cards are on the table regarding how they improvise. It is in a "tradition" but maybe one that stretches back to the likes of Dave Brubeck's quartet with an ear open to more "outside" styles of jazz. I will let you know what I think of the other disc when I receive it. It is a shame that you were not so enthusiastic but I wonder if it might be something that SA would perhaps appreciate more. A potential future request for JRR - this would be a record that would feature in my best of 2021.

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