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  • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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    • Dec 2010
    • 4286

    Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
    I have been having a spell of listening to the music by perhaps the first great jazz guitarist, Eddie Lang. I have two, double CDs of his music of which the best is the compilation which is largely made up of recordings with blues guitarist Lonnie Johnson. This record also includes oddities like the unlikely band with Lang, King Oliver and Hoagy Carmichael. I think that the duets with Johnsonare a highlight of jazz in the 1920s and have a relaxed feel about them which has the effect of making them sound quite modern. There are a number of other duets with pianist Frank Signorelli which make a marked contrast as they sound very stiff and uncomfortable in comparison. Signorelli is one of those musicians who seemed ubiquitous in the 1920s and then disappeared from a high profile before playing with the revived ODJB and other Trad bands. He is really forgotten these day. All in all, I think this double CD called "Blue Guitars" is an essential record.

    The other record is not quite so good in my opinion and chronicles Lang's work with his other well known associated, Joe Venuti. This record is almost disturbing in the way it samples their contribution to various bands between 1926-33 with the music varying from "hot music" through to dance band material by the likes of Roger Wolfe Kahn and Jean Goldkette which may feature brief jazz solos but really needs to be forgotten about. I am not sure who selected some of this material for the compilation as there are a number of tracks which are risible. Don't even get me on to the singers who are dreadful, even when they materialise with the jazz groups ! (Imagine something like Ed Sheeran singing with Henry Threadgill and you can appreciate how odd some of this stuff sounds. ) It is a mixture of the exceptional with a fair dose of truly woeful music. Seen through the eyes of the 2020s, it is an alien world with "cutting edge" jazz musicians appearing on records whose commerciality has rendered the music almost unlistenable. How many jazz fans nowadays would be happy listening to pop music to hear an 8-bar break by a jazz soloist, especially if they were better presented elsewhere?


    Amongst this material are some exceptional "chamber jazz" groups such as the Joe Venuti's Blue Four and you get a sense that Lang was extremely accomplished. For me, this makes this collection worthwhile because it is both original and convincing jazz. When I was getting in to jazz , I always felt that it was Venuti's that was more interesting simply because of the novelty of his choice of instrument. Listening again, both Lang and Venuti seem to have arrived in jazz from a more orthodox background but Lang seems more "modern" and perhaps even interesting. The chamber pieces have a charm of their own and are also curios insofar that a lot are based on the chord changes of "Tiger Rag" and seem to exist in their own little world as they are so unlike so much other jazz recorded at that time. I find this type of jazz played by white musicians in the 20s and early 30s to almost sound marooned in it's own era simply because it ultimately proved not to be on the critical path as how jazz ultimately developed. As a result, the eccentricity of the music is very much part of it's appeal.

    The second CD in the Venuti / Lang record also introduces some other soloists who are quite impressive. I have never been quite sure of the appeal of Frankie Trumbauer yet his near contemporary Jimmy Dorsey proves to be a really useful soloist in these contexts. He is another name which is seldom mentioned these days yet he was very convincing in the late 20s / early 30s. Other tracks in the selection include the likes of Benny Goodman and the imperious Jack Teagarden. One of the tracks I love is "Farewell Blues" which bowled me over when I first heard it when i was a about 15. However, I keep on coming back to Eddie Lang and thinking what a great acoustic guitarist he was. It is his playing which stands out for me. The appeal of Venuti is less attractive because I think Stuff Smith and Stephane Grappelli were ultimately more successful musically yet Lang strikes me as a musician who would have had a bearing on how jazz developed in the 1930s and maybe the kind of player who would have benefited from longer playing records and better recording techniques in the 1950s.

    Rather than diminishing with the passage of time, Lang almost seems to transcend the 1920s as if he was born before his time. I think he was more technically accomplished than his contemporaries and was essentially a virtuoso musician who happened to find his career starting at the time jazz became popular. Given his background, I wonder if his early death was perhaps more of a tragedy than Bix Beiderbecke's who I feel would have always remained a Dixieland player. You just sense that Eddie Lang had a more open mind to those musicians he chose to work with and would have been more adaptable to the changes jazz had to offer. (He must have been one of the few musicians to work in jazz, dance bands and blues as well as with crooners such as Bing Crosby. ) In the history of jazz guitar, Lang is crucial yet, like someone from a later generation such as Clifford Brown, you feel that he had his best work ahead of him when he tragically died aged 30 in 1933.

    I cannot recall Eddie Lang's name ever coming up on a thread on this board. Is he someone Joseph has checked out ?
    I too have the "Blue Guitars" double CD and it's a wonderful set. I had the good fortune to see Lonnie Johnson on one of the early American Folk Blues tours of the 1960s, a very slightly incongruous figure in amongst Buddy Guy and Howling Wolf etc, but a wonderful guitarist, still with that mellow sound and a sophisticated melodic phrasing. There's a lovely video of him from then on YouTube doing "Too late to cry". I've posted it here before. Lang, Johnson and say, Teddy Bunn all had a very distinctive guitar sound. I'm not enough of a guitarist to say why, not just the instrument certainly, but it's immediately noticeable.

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    • Jazzrook
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      • Mar 2011
      • 3084

      Originally posted by BLUESNIK'S REVOX View Post
      I too have the "Blue Guitars" double CD and it's a wonderful set. I had the good fortune to see Lonnie Johnson on one of the early American Folk Blues tours of the 1960s, a very slightly incongruous figure in amongst Buddy Guy and Howling Wolf etc, but a wonderful guitarist, still with that mellow sound and a sophisticated melodic phrasing. There's a lovely video of him from then on YouTube doing "Too late to cry". I've posted it here before. Lang, Johnson and say, Teddy Bunn all had a very distinctive guitar sound. I'm not enough of a guitarist to say why, not just the instrument certainly, but it's immediately noticeable.
      Here's Lonnie Johnson with Otis Spann, Willie Dixon & Fred Below playing 'Another Night To Cry' in 1963(?).
      Lovely introduction from Sonny Boy Williamson(2):

      The wonderful Lonnie Johnson performing his jazz blues song Another Night to Cry from the year 1963.🎵 Enjoy more from Vintage Video HubNicky Thomas - Is It ...


      JR

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      • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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        • Dec 2010
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        Originally posted by Jazzrook View Post
        Here's Lonnie Johnson with Otis Spann, Willie Dixon & Fred Below playing 'Another Night To Cry' in 1963(?).
        Lovely introduction from Sonny Boy Williamson(2):

        The wonderful Lonnie Johnson performing his jazz blues song Another Night to Cry from the year 1963.🎵 Enjoy more from Vintage Video HubNicky Thomas - Is It ...


        JR

        Smashing! And here's Lonnie with just an acoustic doing the same tune, I think Germany or Scandinavia? You could hear a pin drop.


        BN

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        • BLUESNIK'S REVOX
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          • Dec 2010
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          And some Teddy Bunn from 1938 to see how it's done. This is such a great solo from a record much played by Humph back in ze days...

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          • Ian Thumwood
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            • Dec 2010
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            I love Teddy Bunn's playing but he was seriously under-represented on record. Most of his work was made with the Spirits of Rhythm which were a jivey, novelty act from the mid 1930s where Bunn's guitar is a stand out. There is still a lot of Blues in Bunn's playing and his style is not too dissimilar to Lonnie Johnson's. I think one of the most intriguing things about the guitar players of this era is that those players coming out of the blues seem to play in a more modern, relaxed style than their counterparts. Even if you broaden things out to guitarists like Memphis Minnie, they sound more relaxed as almost seem to reach out to the styles played in R n' B in the 1950s.

            Eddie Lang is interesting because of the Chamber Jazz feel of his music. He was an extremely effective blues player too as is evident with the Lonnie Johnson duets which are incredible. However, I feel that someone like Lang was also coming from a more "Classical" tradition and there are moments when I listen to him that I feel he is an antecedent to someone like Ralph Towner. I have also wondered just how much an influence Lang has had on someone like Bill Frisell. One of Frisell's best albums is "Quartet" which came out around 1995 and features a up of guitar, trombone, viola and trumpet. The approach of the music has it's origins in score for some silent films as well as Gary Larsson's excellent "Far Side" cartoons. There is something delightfully absurd about the music and it instantly recalls the work of Venuti and Lang. Once you have heard this disc, it becomes impossible not to make this connection.

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            • Serial_Apologist
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              • Dec 2010
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              Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View Post
              I think one of the most intriguing things about the guitar players of this era is that those players coming out of the blues seem to play in a more modern, relaxed style than their counterparts.
              Wouldn't one say that applied to early jazz in general? That the two-beat of New Orleans and Dixieland tended to regiment improvising into its rigidity? - that is, until Louis came along?

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              • Stanfordian
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                • Dec 2010
                • 9314

                ‘Song for My Father’ – Horace Silver Quintet
                Session 1 - Horace Silver with Carmell Jones, Joe Henderson, Teddy Smith & Roger Humphries
                Session 2 - Horace Silver with Blue Mitchell, Junior Cook Gene Taylor, Roy Brooks
                Session 3 - Horace Silver with Gene Taylor & Roy Brooks
                Blue Note (1963-64)

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                • Joseph K
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 7765

                  Yesterday - Agharta by Miles Davis.

                  Today, various cuts of guitarist Ant Law.

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                  • Joseph K
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2017
                    • 7765

                    Clifford Brown - Donna Lee

                    Provided to YouTube by Legacy/ColumbiaDonna Lee · Clifford BrownThe Beginning And The End℗ 1973 Sony Music Entertainment Inc.Released on: 1994-08-23Producer:...

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                    • Joseph K
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2017
                      • 7765

                      John Coltrane Quartet Plays

                      Been a while since I listened to this - Chim Chim Cheree is incredible. Truly there was something about this quartet, especially in their last year as they are here, that is incandescent, sort of on the edge, with an intensity that is always there even when it's just simmering.

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                      • Ian Thumwood
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                        • Dec 2010
                        • 4184

                        Originally posted by Joseph K View Post
                        John Coltrane Quartet Plays

                        Been a while since I listened to this - Chim Chim Cheree is incredible. Truly there was something about this quartet, especially in their last year as they are here, that is incandescent, sort of on the edge, with an intensity that is always there even when it's just simmering.
                        I agree that this is a seriously under-valued album. "Brazilia" always struck me as the standout track as I liked the closing piece as well. The only issue for me is that "Nature Boy" comes across as blisteringly intense initially and then loses something upon repeated listening. I think the rejection of the song structure and it's reduction to a one-chord vamp doesn't help although I feel that Abbey Lincoln's version of this song is so good that you don't really need to hear another version. Still, it is a really decent album and perhaps akin to "Sun ship" in that it isn't perfect yet the playing from Coltrane is exceptional.

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                        • Joseph K
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2017
                          • 7765

                          Someone should inform Pasquale that the standards well has totally dried up and there's nothing more that can be done with them.

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                          • Serial_Apologist
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                            • Dec 2010
                            • 37691

                            Not "listening", but it was interesting just now watching the doc on Paul Weller and the Style Council on Sky Arts, as I don't really remember the band that clearly, being more into the jazz that was right in front of us as opposed to new wave pop bands and personalities such as Alison Moyet, Shadé and The Communards, who were tangentially influenced by jazz, mainly in the voicings and instrumentation departments. Hadn't realised half the tracks of their debut album were effectively jazz instrumentals! Being out of active politics by that stage I was unaware of Weller's politics and how these found their way into his song lyrics. He hadn't evidently enjoyed their input into Live Aid! One point strongly made by the different band members was that (a) they hadn't thought of themselves as part of the then-current "scene"; and (2) at every point at which Weller attempted amalgamating inputs from musical areas of interest outside the pop realm, record producers forced them back into commercial strangleholds, or trying to. The inevitable that has more recently developed, as Ian has alluded to, namely the multicultural, might then have happened in ways that prominent jazz musicians were more inhibited about back then, with the possibility of e.g. Blue Note contracts, and taken post-punk pop in more interesting directions, which instead became straitjacketed into commercial imperatives. The programme ended with a studio get-together from last year, recording a new title, "Diving", which in mood and outlines could almost have been a tribute to early Joni Mitchell!

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                            • Joseph K
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2017
                              • 7765

                              Filles de Kilimanjaro

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                              • Bert
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                                • Apr 2020
                                • 327

                                Moanin' - Art Blakey The Jazz Messengers. recorded 1958, released 1959, Blue Note.




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