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Great performances though. 
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Thanks Joseph - I'll try and get to listen to that link, either later, or tomorrow. -
Originally posted by Joseph K View Posthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5uC...s2rJp7XfD4in9Y
I wonder why this wasn't included in the Miles 1969 Live in Europe Bootleg box.
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Originally posted by Jazzrook View Post
The article state Bitches Brew was released in June 1970 - actually it was March.Comment
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Joseph - Coincidence, I was just about mention this album. I received a copy of this yesterday together with a previously unissued Kenny Dorham album of Swedish airchecks called "The Swedish sessions 1964" on the Dragon label.Originally posted by Joseph K View PostGreat performances though.
Two wonderful trumpet players starting out during Bop's evolution but by the time of these albums had taken very different paths. completely agree with your assessment of the Miles "Lost Quintet" this music quite honestly has not dated a jot. The band seemed to flirt more with Avante Garde of the time rather than Rock, Dejohnette fires the band up with some furious drumming and Wayne Shorter plays some great tenor solo's at a time when he was more likely to be on soprano. Miles pushing the boundaries - remarkable stuff.
The Kenny Dorham more conventional but no less a player than Miles, one of the most lyrical of trumpeters -witness this track from the album.
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Thanks very much for this Elmo, the KD is a definite for me but difficult to find details on line except the below...Originally posted by elmo View PostJoseph - Coincidence, I was just about mention this album. I received a copy of this yesterday together with a previously unissued Kenny Dorham album of Swedish airchecks called "The Swedish sessions 1964" on the Dragon label.
Two wonderful trumpet players starting out during Bop's evolution but by the time of these albums had taken very different paths. completely agree with your assessment of the Miles "Lost Quintet" this music quite honestly has not dated a jot. The band seemed to flirt more with Avante Garde of the time rather than Rock, Dejohnette fires the band up with some furious drumming and Wayne Shorter plays some great tenor solo's at a time when he was more likely to be on soprano. Miles pushing the boundaries - remarkable stuff.
The Kenny Dorham more conventional but no less a player than Miles, one of the most lyrical of trumpeters -witness this track from the album.
elmo
"Kenny Dorham...
"Unknown studio, Stockholm, January 15, 1964
Kenny Dorham (tpt) Bertil Löfgren (tpt) Sahib Shihab (bs) Lars Sjösten (p) Bjørn Alke (b) Bo Skoglund (d)
Short Stay (K. Dorham) 10:36
I Concentrate on You (C. Porter) 7:35
Not Yet (S. Shihab) 10:10
Golden Circle, Stockholm, 1964 or 1965
Kenny Dorham (tpt) Göran Lindberg (p) Göran Pettersson (b) Leif Wennerström (d)
Short Story (Dorham) 6:53
Dorhams Epitaph a.k.a. Extension (Dorham) 7:02
For All We Know (Karlin, Wilson, Griffin) 7:00
I Had The Craziest Dream (Warren, Gordon) 6:25
Skandia Skies (Dorham) 7:44"
I assume this is from around the time Kenny was in Denmark and recorded for Steeplechase at Montmartre.
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Originally posted by elmo View PostJoseph - Coincidence, I was just about mention this album. I received a copy of this yesterday together with a previously unissued Kenny Dorham album of Swedish airchecks called "The Swedish sessions 1964" on the Dragon label.
Two wonderful trumpet players starting out during Bop's evolution but by the time of these albums had taken very different paths. completely agree with your assessment of the Miles "Lost Quintet" this music quite honestly has not dated a jot. The band seemed to flirt more with Avante Garde of the time rather than Rock, Dejohnette fires the band up with some furious drumming and Wayne Shorter plays some great tenor solo's at a time when he was more likely to be on soprano. Miles pushing the boundaries - remarkable stuff.
The Kenny Dorham more conventional but no less a player than Miles, one of the most lyrical of trumpeters -witness this track from the album.
elmo
Thanks for the Dorham track, he's a trumpeter I ought to acquaint myself with more.Comment
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JoeOriginally posted by Joseph K View Post
Thanks for the Dorham track, he's a trumpeter I ought to acquaint myself with more.
The albums he made with Joe Henderson are, for my money, some of the strongest on Blue Note. It took me a long while to discover Kenny Dorham and appreciate his playing. Initially he appeared with Charlie Parker and then was heavily involved in the early days of Hard Bop before really finding his voice in the 1960s. The only JD / JH album I don't have is "In n' out" but the other four are terrific. "Out thing" and "Page One" are, in my opinion, essential jazz records. There is an earlier album called "Whistle stop" with Hank Mobley which is sensational and features the tenor man's best performance in the studio.
There is a 4-record double CD on Avid which can be snapped up for peanuts. The first disc includes a selection of ballads which is decent but is lumbered with a woeful partnering where Dorham was unwise enough to sing. This makes you think fondly of Chet Baker. By contrast, the second record has two live sets featuring Jackie McLean which are both worth the money alone.
I have to say that I agree with your comment that the Miles' set hasn't diminished with time. Regarding Dorham, it is interesting that he pursued a totally different route but he seems to have had more of a bearing on more "modern" trumpeters such as Woody Shaw and Ambrose Akinmusire. I think the appeal of Kenny Dorham owes a lot to the fact that he is so untypical of trumpeter players of that era and certainly contrasts with a contemporary like Clifford Brown. There is sometimes something gladiatorial about trumpeters that probably harks back to the likes of King Oliver. By contrast, I feel Dorham was far more nuanced, especially with regard to his timbre and dynamics.
The other point that is often missed about KD was his composing abilities. I think he is easily one of the best of the jazz composers working in than idiom. Again, you tend to find those people who are aware of his writing beyond the ubiquitous "Blue Bossa" appreciate how strong he was as a writer too.
I find Dorham to be one of those players like Paul Bley whose reputation is not as well known as it deserves to be but once discovered, most people become fanatical.
This live session sounds terrificComment
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Thanks for the recommendations, Ian.Comment
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KD in Sweden 1963 - the only film of him playing as far as I am aware
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That's right - it's always seemed strange to me that Kenny Dorham didn't really find his approach until the 1960s, but, significantly enough, another Kenny who never felt confident with his own efforts to master bebop trumpet was Kenny Wheeler, who used to name Dorham, along with Booker Little, as the two "outsiders" who gave him the confidence he needed to find his own style.Originally posted by Ian Thumwood View PostComment
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‘A Love Supreme’ - John Coltrane
John Coltrane with Jimmy Garrison, Elvin Jones & McCoy Tyner
Impulse! (1964)Comment
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Nice. Have you heard the live version? That was the one I had for years before hearing the studio version and I still prefer it to this day. It (the live version) used to be on you tube but apparently is no longer available in this country. I believe some editions of that Impulse album also feature the live version.Originally posted by Stanfordian View PostComment
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It's the one at Antibes. That's the only other version by Trane.Originally posted by burning dog View PostComment
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In a Silent Way - Hanif Kureshi's fisrt choice on Desert Island Discs. Diana Rigg (now Dame) chose it as one of her choices in 1970! - only just released in the UK.
I really like the Bill Laswell mix as well. DJ Cams is great for a minute, then... meh!
PS Swimmer David Wilkie chose something from Bitches BrewComment
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