Beyond the Fringe? Food for thought, Mister Pee Wee...

[Serial_Apologist]

The "Astral" stuff probably sounded good if you were on drugs but now seems like an embarrassing curiosity of the era like "Hair."

Maybe someone put Farex in my tea back then.

I have to say I actually love a lot of what you lot of masculists decry from that period, maybe epitomised by Charles Lloyd, and Jack deJohnette's Compost. For me it represents another kind of feminine spirit, tangentially related to Miles's, but I do think it was reflective of the shock following Coltrane's untimely death.

It's funny how a health scare can change one's directions in life. Since 2 years ago, as I told Alan Wilkinson's wife Gina Southgate in Cafe Oto the other evening, I seem to be turning back from loud high energy music and more to what transitioned me from more conservative stuff to it. I wasn't expecting this to follow. Maybe I'll find God next, or something.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Masculist?! Not me Guv, I'm just allergic to bells, gongs and..... banjos! And unlike Ian I like early/mid Archie Shepp a great deal, the Danish Contemporary Five sessions with Cherry etc. and the Impulse albums particularly. Four for Trane is a gem I would not be without. A shame some of those following John didn't follow this more individual take rather than "cloning on a chord". And Shepp's Live at Newport with Bobby Hutcherson was the intermission LP of choice at Ronnie's Old Place in the late sixties. Always knew when it was time for a Chinese from over the road.

Best with the health SA.

BN.

[Serial_Apologist]

Masculist?! Not me Guv, I'm just allergic to bells, gongs and..... banjos! And unlike Ian I like early/mid Archie Shepp a great deal, the Danish Contemporary Five sessions with Cherry etc. and the Impulse albums particularly. Four for Trane is a gem I would not be without. A shame some of those following John didn't follow this more individual take rather than "cloning on a chord".

And Shepp's Live at Newport with Bobby Hutcherson was the intermission LP of choice at Ronnie's Old Place in the late sixties. Always knew when it was time for a Chinese from over the road.

Never tried the Chinese, but used to get my college cut done at the barber's on the corner just up the street and opposite. "Something for the weekend, sir?" he always asked pointing at the johnnies, as one was leaving.

Best with the health SA.

BN.

Thanks indeed, Bluesie. The side effects from the drugs are a bit of a bugger, but they're still free for my age group and at least I'm still alive!

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

What you are doing here is very MUCH appreciated. Just don't ring any bells, bang Turkish gongs or start cloning Pete Seeger! No banjos!

Best BN.

[burning dog]

BLUESNIK'S REVOX "a simple bass figure running unchanged for some twenty minutes. His hand must of been dropping off. For art."



If it's the album I think you are referring to it's Ronnie and Reggie on bass duties. "Leave it out guv'nor!"

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

BLUESNIK'S REVOX "a simple bass figure running unchanged for some twenty minutes. His hand must of been dropping off. For art."



If it's the album I think you are referring to it's Ronnie and Reggie on bass duties. "Leave it out guv'nor!"

Yep, that's the one! Keeping the manor clean.

BN.

[Jazzrook]

The Kenny Dorham album Jazz Contrasts (Riverside) has Betty Glamann on harp on a few sides. I don't think she solos but there's a knockout My Old Flame with Kenny and Sonny Rollins where she plays backgrounds.

Must be a bit tricky dragging a harp from gig to gig. Still, you could "sail it".

BN

Not forgetting harpist Dorothy Ashby - from her 1958 album 'In A Minor Groove' with Frank Wess(flute); Herman Wright(bass) & Roy Haynes(drums):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG-a2syQ500

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Just to flag up, as I will be back to France....

"Alyn, can I suggest John Taylor and Charlie Haden as a duo playing "Nightfall" from their 2004 Nairn album of the same name. Very affecting and beautifully realised by both and with no wasted note or emotion. It could almost stand as a tribute to the artistic honesty of both of them."


Going out this coming Saturday 22nd. Many thanks to Alyn & Nancy and best to the board. AND many thanks to SA for all the listings....you will like this, very reflective.

BN.

[Serial_Apologist]

Just to flag up, as I will be back to France....

"Alyn, can I suggest John Taylor and Charlie Haden as a duo playing "Nightfall" from their 2004 Nairn album of the same name. Very affecting and beautifully realised by both and with no wasted note or emotion. It could almost stand as a tribute to the artistic honesty of both of them."


Going out this coming Saturday 22nd. Many thanks to Alyn & Nancy and best to the board. AND many thanks to SA for all the listings....you will like this, very reflective.

BN.

Keep in touch.

[Alyn_Shipton]

BN we also (by coincidence) have some Dorothy Ashby on Saturday's JRR. And stick with the Patrick Hayes (banjo-free) track in the middle of the programme - features loads of London's young (early 20s) musicians, just before the Taylor / Haden.

[Ian Thumwood]

With BN's departure to France, it is a shame he is too late for Marciac. A colleague at work has just come back from his holiday and passed through the town for a day and picked up a programme. It is quite interesting to see the comparison with Vienne and the fact that it seems more "purist" and with less marginal acts performing. That said, there are a number of artists who featured at both festivals. I was quite intrigued by how many gigs don't actually serve to promote records (Jason Moran / Robert Glasoer duo, Kenny Barron / Dado Moroni duo, etc. ) There were some big names performing who represent the best of contemporary jazz such as David Sanchez, Roberto Fonseca, Chuco valdes, Kenny Garrett, Bad Plus + Joshua Redman, Marcus Miller, Chick Corea solo and the ever-present Wynton Marsalis.) There are also loads of European players like Garbarek and Rava on the bill too.

Marciac seems to be more of a "purists'" jazz festival but lacks seems to lack the free venue where at Vienne you can hear a range of US college big bands, local big bands, some heavy-hitting groups from the vibrant Lyon scene and the best of new jazz from France. It is interesting ( as you would expect of a festival in which Wynton Marsalis is heavily associated) a genuine absence of anything slightly avant garde. Archie Shepp is appearing with a big band that includes Famoudou Don Moye and Louis Sclavis ( probably the best French jazz musician ever?) crops up too. Other than that, there is zilch in the way of anything remotely "free jazz / Improv." It seems very similar in it's programme to the old Brecon Jazz Festival which was similarly conservative but high quality. In it's favour, Marciac seems to eschew the modish nonsense of groups such as Go-Go Penguin which I felt was complete cobblers. A friend of mine who is more up-to-speed on the UK scene told me that they were a bit gimmicky when he heard them. Shame that the jazz piano trio should evolve in to groups such as this and The Necks. I've been listening to Chick Corea "live in Europe" with Mirolav Vitous and Roy Haynes all last week. This is a record I've always loved and demonstrative that piano trios could achieve the absolute pinnacle in jazz - even if any line up with Roy Haynes on drums is always on to a winner. For my money, this is one of the best piano trio albums ever and Corea has never been better.

The Gus Cannon track on JRR was fascinating and belied the fact that it was recorded in 1927. I love the fact that people request this off the beaten track kind of music that otherwise would never get heard.

[Jazzrook]

BN we also (by coincidence) have some Dorothy Ashby on Saturday's JRR. And stick with the Patrick Hayes (banjo-free) track in the middle of the programme - features loads of London's young (early 20s) musicians, just before the Taylor / Haden.

Alyn ~ Here's another track, 'Yesterdays', from harpist Dorothy Ashby following my recent reply to BN about her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2YSdlD7378

Look forward to hearing the request on Saturday and also Jack Montrose/Bob Gordon the week after!

[Serial_Apologist]

Alyn ~ Here's another track, 'Yesterdays', from harpist Dorothy Ashby following my recent reply to BN about her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2YSdlD7378

Look forward to hearing the request on Saturday and also Jack Montrose/Bob Gordon the week after!

Lovely stuff, JR. You could try telling people "That's really della zouche" and they wouldn't see the connection, just think you were making up terms by posing and trying to be cool.

Barman - half a harp please, with no strings attached.