''are we nearly there yet?''

[Guest]

Recently, I've embarked on a journey to discover jazz. Okay, I've listened to Brubeck, then Miles, and covered most of the important Blue Note releases, and Mingus. All good. Lately I've been getting a buzz from Esbjorn Svensson Trio. Where next?

I did try a bit of Ornette Coleman but I feel it was too early in the journey.

[Sonny's Back]

Hi Ian
I think to answer your qestion would involve re-treading a path that has already been well-worn on another board (All About Jazz). Your question has been asked by so many, that there is a specific thread on their board covering it, with lots of useful ideas. Not trying to support "the opposition" but it seems sensible to harness the knowledge and opinions that are already there - check it out here: http://forums.allaboutjazz.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21
but then come back here!

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

[Norfolk Born]

I suggest you buy/beg/borrow/steal a copy of the Rough Guide to Jazz, which contains helpful general articles as well as profiles of many performers and recommended recordings. And listen, if you don't already do so, to Jazz Record Requests on Radio 3 on Saturday afternoons. If you haven't already done so, give the following a try: Bix Beiderbecke, Humphrey Lyttleton, Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Gerry Mulligan, Thelonius Monk, Kid Ory, Charlie Parker. It might be better, as you suggest, to save 'free jazz' and the more difficult 'progressive' stuff until later.

[ian russell]

Thanks for the suggestions. I will go to ''the other place'' and read the thread.

I was thinking along the lines of current acts, not just the greats. Anything happening now I should be listening to? for instance, I was listening to someone's youtube playlist last week, the ''EST Mix'', and it included some Hiromi Uehara. It was the first time I'd heard of her. I'm thinking there must be several new names, new to me, worth knowing while there's a chance to hear them live.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Gilad Atzmon Orient House Ensemble
Kit Downes Trio

both on Utube

[John Wright]

Recently, I've embarked on a journey to discover jazz. Okay, I've listened to Brubeck, then Miles, and covered most of the important Blue Note releases, and Mingus.

Curious why you would start where you did, history wise. But no harm in discovering the roots of jazz later in your journey.

1920s - much of the classic jazz has now been well-restored from 78s. As well as Louis there are contemporaries like Johnny Dodds, Jimmie Noone, Fletcher Henderson, Jelly Roll Morton and white musicians like Red Nichols, Miff Mole, Bix, Frankie Trumbauer and the early Dorseys all created some very hot and cool ensemble work, and with them emerged Joe Venuti and Eddie Lang. The light jazz of the Paul Whiteman Orchestra featured many of those musicians too. You might also like the (white group) Original Memphis Five, Phil Napoleon, and there's lots more.

Then there's Duke Ellington,


John W

[eighthobstruction]

Have not got much time, but I reckon if you have got as far as EST....then an easier step back to something modern....and yet....not too rum pum pum....British (sic) 70's bands (some jazz` fusion) Mike westbrook Orchestra, Chris Macgegor Brotherhood of Breath, Nucleus (Ian Carr)....and USA Weather Report, Herbie Hancock....

....anyway enjoy searching for 'stuff' on Utube and such....there is so much there....

....and there definitely is the Duke....

[Sonny's Back]

Have not got much time, but I reckon if you have got as far as EST....then an easier step back to something modern....and yet....not too rum pum pum....British (sic) 70's bands (some jazz` fusion) Mike westbrook Orchestra, Chris Macgegor Brotherhood of Breath, Nucleus (Ian Carr)....and USA Weather Report, Herbie Hancock....

....anyway enjoy searching for 'stuff' on Utube and such....there is so much there....

....and there definitely is the Duke....

or you can be really cheeky and check out both at the same time:

http://tinyurl.com/24egyhd

[ian russell]

Curious why you would start where you did, history wise.

I'm not really after a history of Jazz, just more of what I like. I suppose like anything you don't normally wake up one morning and say, I'm going to find out about Jazz, or this or that. It just comes along and happens to you.

[John Wright]

I'm not really after a history of Jazz, just more of what I like. I suppose like anything you don't normally wake up one morning and say, I'm going to find out about Jazz, or this or that. It just comes along and happens to you.

Hi Ian, right but your first mesage said 'I've embarked on a journey to discover jazz' which suggested that you didn't know any jazz and therefore didn't know what you liked.

If there is some jazz music you like then of course it's logical to seek out more of what you like. I've often just stumbled on jazz music, e.g. Brubeck, I'd heard the 'single' Take Five as a youth but never sought out more, then one day, just a few years ago, a car boot of vinyl included several albums, probably very collectable, and the music is just great, not all samey as I'd expected. Gone With The Wind, Time Further Out and the later Greatest Hits (all CBS).

[eighthobstruction]

or you can be really cheeky and check out both at the same time:

http://tinyurl.com/24egyhd

....Now THAT'S interesting....never knew that this happened....

[charles t]

Lifted this thread from (I believe) the inaugural day November 25, 2010.

If we ain't 'nearly there yet' (any sexual reference purely unintentional)

then

it is through no fault of our humble moderator ... lo ... these almost four annums...

Thank you indeed, Calum...

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Four years already? Why, I could have been working on my Joycean fin de bicycle novel instead of debating Hank Mobley with the evil unbelievers.

Anyway, many thanks indeed Calum for keeping the remaining unwashed crew of the Jazz Pequod soberish as we chase down the great white whale of the "true jazz". Last seen being sawn up for catfood.

Here's to another four et more in the storm tossed waters off Cape Coltrane...

BN.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]