Has jazz run its course?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

we should have been in Paris EL Senor Blues, Paris [Diana every time eh]

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Paris [Diana every time eh]

What's the Daily Express got to do with ... well, anything, really?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

What's the Daily Express got to do with ... well, anything, really?

Ross man, Ross ...as in Ronnie

er the Daily Express was a feature in El Senor's outdoor facilities in 1958 ....

[Beef Oven!]

I watched about ten minutes of the Mobo awards but was hugely depressed by the calibre of the music. After the third tune in the same key an with the same 4-bar patterns, I turned it off and finished by James Bond book instead. Amazing to see how crap this music is - especially if you think how Black music has defined the 20th century in musical terms whether it is Bessie Smith, Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Stevie Wonder, Prince, Michael Jackson, sister Rosetta Tharpe, Blind Lemon Jefferson, etc, etc.

Hmm, I think that it's overstating the case that any particular type of music has defined the 20th century in musical terms. But then I don't understand what black, white or other racially-based music categories are anyway.

[Quarky]

Hmm, . But then I don't understand what black, white or other racially-based music categories are anyway.

I assume that everybody if well familiar with the North London/ East End mindset, where most of the performers at the MOBO awards seemed to reside. It just struck me that here was a group of cowboys/ girls, completely uninhibited and completely emancipated, having a ball in front of the TV cameras and broadcast UK wide. Ian has summed up the musical quality, but the enthusiasm was infectious. So I guess the original New Orleans jazz bands would have been well satisfied with this outcome, at least in sociological terms.

[Beef Oven!]

.......the original New Orleans jazz bands would have been well satisfied with this outcome, at least in sociological terms.

I'd go along with that.

[Pianorak]

we should have been in Paris EL Senor Blues, Paris [Diana every time eh]

Who'd have thought I'd be pleased to see a copper (wo)manhandle somebody!

[Serial_Apologist]

Ross man, Ross ...as in Ronnie

er the Daily Express was a feature in El Senor's outdoor facilities in 1958 ....

That was the theme tune to a TV cop drama whose name escapes me. No Hiding Place? I remember being just old enough to be allowed to stay up to watch that. Anyway, thanks for digging it out Calum.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

The Cheaters?

A 1966 Ember LP included Bill Le Sage’s theme for The Cheaters and a Tony Crombie composition for the film The Spider’s Web.

[kea]

The original, and still for me, main point of jazz is to demonstrate that at a given stage in Euroclassical music's development it was possible for black and white musicians in one particular country to get together to forge from respective ethnic musical traditions a lasting evolving generic form, with improvisation its main, if not sole driving force for expansion and elaboration, and from largely working class beginnings create an enduring universal means of music making available to peoples of all nations and classes.

Do black or working-class people still listen to, or create, jazz in any form? Is it still of much importance outside selected American and Western European urban centers? Its period of 'universality' in that sense seems to be anything but enduring, unless 'universal' is simply being used as synonymous with 'white, bourgeois European(-descended)' as it usually is these days—which I doubt is what you meant.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

We need to form a Revolutionary Jazz Party (RJP) under the strict vanguard leadership of Village Vanguardists. Our programme will be to restore true jazz to the conciousness of the advanced workers. All Party children will have saxophone lesssons until age 18. Every workplace and factory will have its own jazz ensemble and cool cellar club. Red Jazz Berets will be issued. Algerian wine will be drunk by the litre as Lenin's "What is to be blown?" is studied.

Today's slogan....."The workers honking will never be defeated!"

BN - author of "Land Bread and Bluenote" (£29.99)

[burning dog]

"In Marxist philosophy, the term bourgeoisie denotes the social class who owns the means of production and whose societal concerns are the value of property and the preservation of capital, in order to ensure the perpetuation of their economic supremacy in society"


Doubt if many "who own the means of production" were at last nights mainstream jazz gig

Ethnic breakdown - Yawn buts the topic's been raised - out of a hundred or so, mostly White European (quite a few Jewish people I'd guess) a group of East Asians and at least two mixed race attendees, making it far more "diverse" than any Rock or Classical gig at the venue. If black people do not PLAY jazz any more I must go back to Specsavers. If you really want young white bourgeois audience that'll be for Indie Rock. Classical? Those concerts really do have the local bourgeois in attendance. A large proportion of Black people at sit down venues for Neo-soul. Working class (mostly) white - Ska revival

And as for "Why cant we all geddalong!" compare and contrast the ethnic make up (ie. lots of "White" performers) of the music discussed on this board, or the World music board, with the "Which rock fusion Pop blah blah are you listening to" thread. Right there on page one The Bee Gees.... fair enough! That's "Black" music, but otherwise Slim Pickens..... I don't think it's especially "the Jazzers" who practice aparthied

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Yeah? How come Jamie Cullum has never hired Lee Morgan?

BN.

[burning dog]

"Yeah? How come Jamie Cullum has never hired Lee Morgan?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDvDGE7zk

Maybe one day !

[burning dog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buIic_w2KWM

A view of Reggae in Britain from 1970

What a well behaved audience!