Has jazz run its course?

[charles t]

Once again Calum, thanks for that heads-up Paragon posting.

The advantage of keeping in-tune with such a board as yours, is awareness of new music/artists.

Oh, other than reading the cabbage patch ruminations of Bluesnik...

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Once again Calum, thanks for that heads-up Paragon posting.

The advantage of keeping in-tune with such a board as yours, is awareness of new music/artists.

Oh, other than reading the cabbage patch ruminations of Bluesnik...

"I'm goin' back south in New Orleans,
Get myself some of them cabbage greens,
Ooh, them greens, yes, them greens,
Oh, them greens, they call them"....

"Good old cabbage greens" - Washboard Sam.

In Wales we demand organic leeks. Always.

BN.

Btw... "legendary recording engineer Rudy Van
Gelder turned 90 years old today"

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

mo' greens man, mo greens is whats we needs

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

"I said 'Green' Man...'Green'... button"


"But only Miles Davis had the green shirt.
There it was on the cover of "Milestones", one of
a handful of late-fifties albums that turned him
from a gifted bebop musician into a figure of
godlike potency. That shirt, the green shirt with
the perfect button-down collar, symbolised the
taste of the eternally elegant outsider and was as
good an emblem as any of Miles Davis's
intextinguishable need to be the coolest man on
the planet."

Wish mine (Jaeger copy) had the same effect.


BN.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

nah this one is better, so cool he wore it the whole movie



so cool Sam Fuller copied the look

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Jean Paul was not so sure

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

Yeah, he was cool - but in "Breathless" his friends sneered at his socks..."with that jacket?"

Meanwhile BARNEY WILEN was wearing button down shirts in 1957. No doubt Kenny Dorham smuggled them in for him.

Vive Le Barney!

BN.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

nah mafia long points innit

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

more angst

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/02/what-s-with-this-surge-in-jazz-bashing.html

[Serial_Apologist]

more angst

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...z-bashing.html

In am reminded of the way right wing pundits to this day, quarter of a century after the fall of the Berlin Wall, that symbol of all supposedly evil about socialism taken to its final Leninist stage, still go on and on about Marxism as if there were some huge proletariat out there straining under their cloth caps to catch the elusive bacillus of radicalisation and overthrow the capitalist system.

Jazz represents the possibility of a musical culture arising outwith portals of bourgeois academia advanced enough to challenge the increasingly outmoded notion of advancement in skill and idiom in the mainstream, Proms and elsewhere-promoted image of modernity. And it consists in the way in which jazz has effected its own development to the point where it can challenge modern classical musics (other than the few still preoccupied with extending the boundaries) on its own terms.

And what are those terrms?

Well, challenging those on this forum and elsewhere who place pre-composition and improvisation on equal terms in jazz's evolution, I would say that it is the improvisational element that trumps all else where jazz is concerned. This is not to dismiss the compositional in old-fashioned terms of notes on score paper entirely, but to celebrate a form in which the interactive, whether between musician and musician(s) or musician(s) and audience, assumes a higher value than possibly in any other genre of music today, both in terms of its enactment of a principle that is at the basis of all life, and its practice.

Jazz connects where capitalism isolates, while at the same time it enforces conformity through an inegalitarianism that is the opposite of what jazz stands for, the growing equalisation of its inputs if we take Ornette as a primary source here; and this is why those on its outside, who nevertheless wield power by posing as opinion-makers on behalf of today's social, economic and political order, need to diss it. It's one of the longterm surviving treasures of Enlightenment thinking that escapes charges of imperialism or racism, and, as we know from the attacks on minorities, and most significantly of all on women's rights in the States at the moment (because once these are attacked all rights are under threat), Enlightement thinking is having a hard time of it right now.

[BLUESNIK'S REVOX]

more angst

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...z-bashing.html

Good piece. Although why should anyone take the NYT, New Yorker or Washington Post seriously anymore? A descent into gutless amnesia and pre approved copy for hire. Time now reminds its 'writers' to consider the advertisers.

Journalism=Advertising=Politics=Prostitution.

Know nothing post modern girls in a post modern world. I am reminded of Bill Hick's tale of quietly reading a book in a diner after midnight. And loudly demanded of, "Why are you reading?" Not "what are you reading" but WHY?

WTF.

BN.

[Quarky]

more angst

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...z-bashing.html

I would guess highly unusual for all these critical articles to appear within a short space of time. Smells of an orchestrated campaign. May be Sonny has annoyed an important person? May be he ought to keep a small packed suitcase by, in case he receives a knock on the door in the middle of the night?

[Ian Thumwood]

Interesting article but I think that I prefer listening to Rap to eating broccoli.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Broccoli every time!

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

er ... if we do not prevail in the struggle for seriousness in art thought and knowledge; if we lose out to the corporate corn peddling gangsters, the purveyors of 'common sense' masking self interest etc then the humanity that will result is unworthy of the planet and will fail the challenges of climate and environmental decline - the fight for serious art is actually the fight for species survival so put that in yer pipe R3 and smoke it .... and AUNT and GRAUN and recover from your yoof fixated demographic marketing obsessions and reconstruct some sense of mission ere we are all gone ..... er excuse me i feel much better for saying that .... [ta S_A for the inspiration]