Jazz Line-Up

[french frank]

Does anyone have any sense as to what the regular slot is/will be (opera allowing) for JL-U? Is it moving back to daytime to follow JRR?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

that is where it is currently

[french frank]

that is where it is currently

Until next week? Early start to the opera seems to give an extra 15 mins to JRR but no JL-U.

I assume that the post-Proms season has seen the changeover to a daytime slot (usually)? I can't see that there's been an R3 press release about the autumn season so I'm not sure if this is a permanent change. I'm assuming it is ...

[Honoured Guest]

I think you've somehow got confused, FF. As Calum says, JLU moved one year ago from Sundays at 11.00pm to Saturdays at 6.00pm.

On the occasional Saturday when there was an early Opera in the first few months after the move, JLU took up the new Sound of Cinema slot (4.00 to 5.00) but for a long time now it just misses a week when there's an early Opera, like next Saturday.

Are you expecting any major regular autumn schedule changes whilst there is no permanent Controller?

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[french frank]

I think you've somehow got confused, FF. As Calum says, JLU moved one year ago from Sundays at 11.00pm to Saturdays at 6.00pm.

Thank you for looking up all the details for me, HG. I was hoping someone would be able to answer the question authoritatively.

Are you expecting any major regular autumn schedule changes whilst there is no permanent Controller?

Well, schedules are usually drawn up some considerable time before they are brought into force, and long before they are announced to the public. I can't say that I was expecting anything in particular, just saying that the usual press release had not appeared and therefore we know nothing about any changes in the schedule (and to be fair, there don't seem to be any striking changes). Even when the pilot is out chatting with passengers, there's usually a co-pilot at the controls.

[Quarky]

Well, schedules are usually drawn up some considerable time before they are brought into force, and long before they are announced to the public. I can't say that I was expecting anything in particular, just saying that the usual press release had not appeared and therefore we know nothing about any changes in the schedule (and to be fair, there don't seem to be any striking changes). Even when the pilot is out chatting with passengers, there's usually a co-pilot at the controls.

Well, I did complain to BBC about very frequent cancellations of JLU, when it was moved from its late night Sunday slot to early Saturday evening. Although I just got a standard reply, nevertheless I understood that the matter had been carefully considered. I am assuming that the Radio 3 may consider that it is more "fair to Jazz" to have an early evening slot, despite frequent cancellations through the opera seasons, than a regular late night slot (which in any case appears to have been taken by Drama on 3). Sometimes BBC "compensates" by including Jazz items in some of its other programmes - Laura Mvula, anyone?

[french frank]

I am assuming that the Radio 3 may consider that it is more "fair to Jazz" to have an early evening slot, despite frequent cancellations through the opera seasons,

HG will set me right if I err, but JL-U started out as part of the late afternoon 'Jazz Zone', didn't it? Then it was moved to the late-night slot, so now it's been moved back to early evening. A frequent scheduling exercise on R3.

a regular late night slot (which in any case appears to have been taken by Drama on 3).

Taken 'will it or nill it', shunted off to make room for the live Sunday concert.

[Honoured Guest]

HG will set me right if I err, but JL-U started out as part of the late afternoon 'Jazz Zone', didn't it? Then it was moved to the late-night slot, so now it's been moved back to early evening. A frequent scheduling exercise on R3.

Yes, from memory JLU started out mid-afternoon (4 - 5pm???) on Saturdays as a fresh-approach replacement for Jazz Notes , which had gone out late on weeknights between 12.30 and 1.00am for several years. Then it went back to late evenings (on Sundays) when it was decided to feature mainstream classical music on Saturday afternoons. Last year, JLU and Live in Concert replaced Opera (from 6 - 10pm) on most Saturdays.

Taken 'will it or nill it', shunted off to make room for the live Sunday concert.

One benefit of this Sunday 10.00pm Drama on 3 slot was that it continued pretty much as normal right through the 2014 Proms season, whereas in 2013 drama stopped on Radio 3 for the two months of the Proms.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

the real issue is the graveyard slot for Jon3 the flagship live Jazz programme

[Honoured Guest]

the real issue is the graveyard slot for Jon3 the flagship live Jazz programme

- part of the wider issue of the only world music programme being in the same slot (11pm - 1.00am).

I truly respect Jazz on 3 and would fear that its content, and its format including long sessions, could be compromised in an earlier slot, in the quest for general ratings.

But much of World on 3 is just a succession of single tracks, often unrelated and which cumulatively cancel each other out over two hours, and it's disgraceful that there isn't a similar, maybe shorter, daytime programme for at least part of the year.

Or how about an occasional scheduled World taster progranme between the Live concert and the Speech at 10.00pm, on nights when the concert programme is likely to end before 9.30?

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

I truly respect Jazz on 3 and would fear that its content, and its format including long sessions, could be compromised in an earlier slot, in the quest for general ratings.

well that nails precisely the issue with the Suits@Aunt for me ....

there is a debate in economics currently about innovation and growth that evidences the compelling role of not for profit investment in R&D to our overall prosperity and well being ... i would make the same case with the BBC as a nations investment in its own culture on a not for profit basis - sure the big spend channels must show audience size as well as appreciation, but the organisation also exists to make available to anyone [notice not all] the core and edges of arts and culture, for me the joys of my youth [jazz beethoven beckett whatever] are now museum pieces imv they must be made available alongside the larks of the irritating and impressive new generations ...

the commercialisation of radio shows one thing clearly - the pursuit of audience size/share yields only ersatz Pepsi blandness everywhere - a desert ....

it increasingly matters less as we all choose when we hear or watch what we want .... Suits@Aunt are truly ante-deluvian reptiles in their sloth, small brains, and herd instincts .... their arguments are more about being members of their own club and the anxiety that the perks might go away than any embrace with a social and cultural role for the institution they supposedly steward [i include the trust - what a doublespeak name that is eh]...