Cameron: "Let's export gay marriage!"

[Mary Chambers]

Are women still 'given away' in the church marriage service? My mother was ranting about that to me sixty-odd years ago - although she had gone along with it with gritted teeth. I didn't when I married - and as for promising to obey......!

[scottycelt]

What are you talking about? What "feminist harangue" (& my God you hate women don't you?)

No. as usual, you are quite wrong ... I am in utter awe of women, and having been brought up with four sisters, always have been.

My problem (pace, ahinton) is with feminists. I find them appallingly sexist, uncouth and distinctly unattractive. I suspect I am not alone.

Feminists should never be equated with women. The two, in my experience, are quite different.

Women live in the world that exists and accept the reality of men. Feminists refuse to accept that reality and dream of a make-believe world where men don't exist.

I much prefer women.

Don't you?

[Ed: I hope this is just over the top hyperbole in the heat of the moment. I would invite the member to moderate his language. The OED definition of feminist is: "An advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women."]

[KipperKid]

No. as usual, you are quite wrong ... I am in utter awe of women, and having been brought up with four sisters, always have been.

My problem (pace, ahinton) is with feminists. I find them appallingly sexist, uncouth and distinctly unattractive. I suspect I am not alone.

Feminists should never be equated with women. The two, in my experience, are quite different.

Women live in the world that exists and accept the reality of men. Feminists refuse to accept that reality and dream of a make-believe world where men don't exist.

I much prefer women.

Don't you?

This sort of thing?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w

[jean]

My problem (pace, ahinton) is with feminists. I find them appallingly sexist, uncouth and distinctly unattractive.

There you go again, scotty - answering the wrong question.

No-one is interested in what you think of feminists. What they would like to know is what you found in Arcades Project's measured, factual account (#233) that caused you to dub it a feminist harangue.

Well?

[french frank]

I have added the following edit, to the post above:

"[Ed: I hope this is just over the top hyperbole in the heat of the moment. I would invite the member to moderate his language. The OED definition of feminist is: "An advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women."]

[ahinton]

No. as usual, you are quite wrong ... I am in utter awe of women, and having been brought up with four sisters, always have been.

My problem (pace, ahinton) is with feminists. I find them appallingly sexist, uncouth and distinctly unattractive. I suspect I am not alone.

Feminists should never be equated with women. The two, in my experience, are quite different.

Women live in the world that exists and accept the reality of men. Feminists refuse to accept that reality and dream of a make-believe world where men don't exist.

I much prefer women.

Don't you?

[Ed: I hope this is just over the top hyperbole in the heat of the moment. I would invite the member to moderate his language. The OED definition of feminist is: "An advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women."]

Hole. Dig. Deeper. (I refer here to scotty's post, not FF's editorial suffix thereto, naturally).

[ahinton]

Nowhere did Arcades Project's 'measured, factual account' <smiley> actually address the only point that I've been making all along, but which was studiously ignored as ever, ie that marriage hitherto has only been the union of, wait for it ... A MAN AND A WOMAN!

Dare one begin to hope that your use of the word "hitherto" might suggest that you are at last getting to grips with reality here, scotty?

The terms and conditions of this union, however deplorable, are wholly irrelevant to the definition of the union itself.

Were the terms and conditions of a legal arrangment to be irrelevant to its definition, it would surely render it meaningless in any practical sense.

[scottycelt]

I have added the following edit, to the post above:

"[Ed: I hope this is just over the top hyperbole in the heat of the moment. I would invite the member to moderate his language. The OED definition of feminist is: "An advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women."]

Since when were you and others here particularly interested in strict dictionary definitions? God, give me strength!

This has now got totally absurd.

I'll now leave you to it!

[MrGongGong]

I'll now leave you to it!

You did start it matey
so taking your ball inside because people object to your misogyny is rather pathetic

Scotty .....the man (? or that's what we assume) that puts the dic in dictionary

[french frank]

If this thread is removed to Diversions, it will be the last one allowed on this subject unless there is a genuine new story. This is intemperate and giving offence.

[Vile Consort]

... marriage has always MEANT the union of a man and woman and nothing else

No it hasn't. There have been periods where it meant the union of one man and many women. Even in the bible.

[MrGongGong]

No it hasn't. There have been periods where it meant the union of one man and many women. Even in the bible.

After 3
ooooooooh no it hasn't
ooooooooh yes it has

It's Catholic panto time

[KipperKid]

Since when were you and others here particularly interested in strict dictionary definitions? God, give me strength!

This has now got totally absurd.

I'll now leave you to it!

Stop banging your head against a brick wall Scotty, you've answered the questions over and over.

Posts #208 and #232 by ff and Pilamenon respectively, can be referred to as capturing the essence of the whole discussion, for those that care.

[Arcades Project]

scottycely consistently misrepresents - no lies about - my carefully argued & constructed posts concerning major law changes to do with the structural basis of marriage in the C19. He backs this up with a repulsive diatribe against feminists & feminism.

&, of course, he's encouraged by you.

I've completely wasted my time here. I know what I'd like to say, but I've too much respect for ff to say it on a public message board. Though I've no doubt ff will hide this post, scottycelt's having stood.

[Simon]

Welcome to la-la land, please drive carefully.

Do you really think it does you any credit, Barrett, to call people "Neanderthal" and to make posts like the one quoted above? And all that simply because the person believes that "marriage" is, and always has been, and always should be, a word relating to the heterosexual union of two people?

We're aware that you have little time for anyone who doesn't hold the same views as yourself, but the member in question is usually very courteous and I can't recall him being so offensive to you. I haven't made an official complaint, as I think it's important that these posts remain.

(If it were me, you'd have more excuse and I wouldn't mind in the slightest, as I have never sought to hide what I think of both yourself and your "music".)