Cameron: "Let's export gay marriage!"

[MrGongGong]

... very well. What is your objection, then?

He wont tell you
just more nonsense about the meaning of the word and how it's never changed (which it, of course has , countless times)

[amateur51]

There was a serious point within my post #36 in answer to your post #35 (glad you liked to reference!).

Whilst I respect people's views on SSM, and believe many people honestly are motivated by questions of equality, there is a bad taste of the politics of grievance and envy about the whole transaction.

Some people such as myself, do believe that marriage has been devalued because it is no longer congugal and specific to a man and woman.

No big deal really.

What an unpleasant misapprehension about something so essentially positive.

[amateur51]

I'll say it again (as it doesn't seem to have registered here) that you don't have to be a 'dinosaur', 'bigot' or even simply a heterosexual to be opposed to the new laws ...

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2012/12/11/comment-gay-marriage-has-its-queer-critics-too

Some people, whether hetero or homo, do have the ability to think for themselves and are not easily swayed by bogus arguments about 'equality' promoted by the populist vote-seeking likes of David Cameron.

What are you going to do now you've so roundly lost the argument here, in Parliament and in the wider population, scotty?

Emigration to Uganda might be on the cards, I guess.

And what about the feelings of your lesbian and gay relatives, friends and colleagues and fellow Catholics?

[Pabmusic]

What are you going to do now you've so roundly lost the argument here, in Parliament and in the wider population, scotty?

Emigration to Uganda might be on the cards, I guess.

And what about the feelings of your lesbian and gay relatives, friends and colleagues and fellow Catholics?

Twisting the knife just a little, Ams?

[Sydney Grew]

. . . It would be more appropriate if the homo-sexualistic survivors were to pay for the privilege of having been so thrilled at public expense.

Seldom have I seen such a lack of logic! Entirely different tar-brushes. I myself found the times thrilling, because I was wise enough, or lucky enough, to side-step the many threats. But my post about monetary compensation - long overdue - relates not to me in any way, but to those unfortunate British gentlemen who did end up in prison, and for long terms, and still have a "criminal record." According to the Guardian recently there are if I am not mistaken about six thousand survivors of this treatment, whose entire lives must have been blighted. Not many, but far more deserving of our sympathy and shame than those moderns who want to get "married."

I repeat: forget the present "reforms" - attend first to righting the injustices of the past! All the elderly gentlemen are waiting!!!

[amateur51]

Seldom have I seen such a lack of logic! Entirely different tar-brushes. I myself found the times thrilling, because I was wise enough, or lucky enough, to side-step the many threats. But my post about monetary compensation - long overdue - relates not to me in any way, but to those unfortunate British gentlemen who did end up in prison, and for long terms, and still have a "criminal record." According to the Guardian recently there are if I am not mistaken about six thousand survivors of this treatment, whose entire lives must have been blighted. Not many, but far more deserving of our sympathy and shame than those moderns who want to get "married."

I repeat: forget the present "reforms" - attend first to righting the injustices of the past! All the elderly gentlemen are waiting!!!

Sydney is in a fishy mood today - a red herring here and a can of sardines on Talking About Music.

[Flosshilde]

Some people, whether hetero or homo, do have the ability to think for themselves and are not easily swayed by bogus arguments about 'equality' promoted by the populist vote-seeking likes of David Cameron.

Indeed I do have the ability to think for myself, & that ability led me to realise that the treatment of lesbians & gay men was somewhat 'unfair'. I was actively campaigning for equality for lesbians & gay men (including for such things as arbitrary dismissal from my job simply for being gay) long before Cameron jumped on a band-wagon; while he was still in nappies, in fact.

[Flosshilde]

... very well. What is your objection, then?

It's impossible for scotty to tell you, as it's based on mindless prejudice. All he can come up with is nonsense like 'devalued'.

[ahinton]

It's impossible for scotty to tell you, as it's based on mindless prejudice. All he can come up with is nonsense like 'devalued'.

I would have thought that the value placed upon a marriage by a married person is a matter for that individual married person and would not be affected, let alone compromised, by circumstances of any kind outside of that marriage; the notion of "devaluation" therefore strikes me as invalid and meaningless - one might as well speak of "quantitative easing" in marriage terms...

[amateur51]

Twisting the knife just a little, Ams?

Not really Pabs.

I've learned from bitter experience of dealing with scotty over the affair of Cardinal O'Brien, when several of us desisted from twisting the knife out of a genuine compassion for someone who had been so deceived by O'Brien's outrage and rejection of the charges made against him which subsequently turned out to be true.. Within a matter of days scotty was back with his usual stuff, quite unbowed by the revelations of the whole affair.

One irony I now realise is that Cardinal (what is he official title now I wonder?) O'Brien could within a year marry another man openly should he wish too under the recently enacted legislation in England & wales - he has been told never to set foot in Scotland again!

[amateur51]

I would have thought that the value placed upon a marriage by a married person is a matter for that individual married person and would not be affected, let alone compromised, by circumstances of any kind outside of that marriage; the notion of "devaluation" therefore strikes me as invalid and meaningless - one might as well speak of "quantitative easing" in marriage terms...

A fine argument except that for many men unsure of their sexuality, marriage (to a woman) was often used as proof-positive of their heterosexuality

[Pabmusic]

...One irony I now realise is that Cardinal (what is he official title now I wonder?) O'Brien could within a year marry another man openly should he wish too under the recently enacted legislation in England & wales - he has been told never to set foot in Scotland again!

A priest act openly in a sexual matter? No ... [shakes head disbelievingly] ... no.

Good point, though.

[amateur51]

A priest act openly in a sexual matter? No ... [shakes head disbelievingly] ... no.

Good point, though.

Might not the Mr scotty-Mrs scotty bond feel a tad chastened
by this development, do you think?

[Pabmusic]

Might not the Mr scotty-Mrs scotty bond feel a tad chastened
by this development, do you think?

I couldn't (and wouldn't) possibly comment.

[amateur51]

I couldn't (and wouldn't) possibly comment.

Well something is getting his goat