Cameron: "Let's export gay marriage!"

[amateur51]

Discussed this with my family at the weekend. Without exception we were baffled by anyone being against something so positive. One partner had been brought up in a homophobic household, but in the early teens 'logic had kicked in'. One had been brought up Catholic, but the same applied to her. We varied in age from thirties to seventies, but we all felt the same. There was a general agreement that the objections, and homophobia in general, must be a hangover from the less pleasant aspects of religion, since there is no logical explanation.

This must be the only time I have felt some admiration for David Cameron.

Great post Mary - many thanks.

Britain (and not only Britain) has changed a lot on this issue and in a very short time. I honestly thought that it might not happen in my lifetime (I'm 61). It's a great relief that it has. I was truly dreading the prospect of living in a homophobic nursing home in my final years, having been to a homophobic school, homophobic university, etc etc. Now I worry a lot less.

[amateur51]

Homo-sexualism used to be much more thrilling in the 'fifties and 'sixties of the last century when it was illegal. This silly idea of "marriage" misses the point entirely. A sizeable majority of homo-sexualists find it ridiculous. The correct attitude is to campaign to abolish marriage in all its forms. Imagine signing up for a lifetime with one other! No thank you!

I don't think that fear of blackmail, police intimidation, queer-bashing, public humiliation, bullying, etc could be described as "thrilling" Sydney.

[Beef Oven]

Homo-sexualism used to be much more thrilling in the 'fifties and 'sixties of the last century when it was illegal. This silly idea of "marriage" misses the point entirely. A sizeable majority of homo-sexualists find it ridiculous. The correct attitude is to campaign to abolish marriage in all its forms. Imagine signing up for a lifetime with one other! No thank you!

There's nothing wrong with marriage, but the current obsession with homosexualityisticism is spoiling things.

[amateur51]

There's nothing wrong with marriage, but the current obsession with homosexualityisticism is spoiling things.

Alternatively, here's nothing wrong with homosexuality and the current obsession with equal marriage is a nice distraction, particularly as it brings out the antsy side of some otherwise 'right-on' people.

[Pabmusic]

There's nothing wrong with marriage, but the current obsession with homosexualityisticism is spoiling things.

Oh dear! I really do not want to reopen the Gay Marriage thread.

But I will repeat my question that was not answered by anyone there. In what way has your relationship been diminished by talk of gay marriage? In what way is anyone's marriage any less because of the existence gay marriage? Does anyone feel this? What have they said to their partner?

I do not believe that you woke up on the morning after the bill had received royal assent and felt that your own relationship had been diminished.

[Beef Oven]

Oh dear! I really do not want to reopen the Gay Marriage thread.

But I will repeat my question that was not answered by anyone there. In what way has your relationship been diminished by talk of gay marriage? In what way is anyone's marriage any less because of the existence gay marriage? Does anyone feel this? What have they said to their partner?

I do not believe that you woke up on the morning after the bill had received royal assent and felt that your own relationship had been diminished.

Carrie made a most hearty supper, for which I was pleased; for I sometimes think she is not strong. There was scarcely a dish she did not taste. I was so thirsty, I could not eat much. Receiving a sharp slap on the shoulder, I turned, and, to my amazement, saw Farmerson, our ironmonger. He said, in the most familiar way: “This is better than Brickfield Terrace, eh?” I simply looked at him, and said coolly: “I never expected to see you here.” He said, with a loud, coarse laugh: “I like that - if YOU, why not ME?” I replied: “Certainly,” I wish I could have thought of something better to say. He said: “Can I get your good lady anything?” Carrie said: “No, I thank you,” for which I was pleased. I said, by way of reproof to him: “You never sent to-day to paint the bath, as I requested.” Farmerson said: “Pardon me, Mr. Pooter, no shop when we’re in company, please.”

[MrGongGong]

Oh dear! I really do not want to reopen the Gay Marriage thread.

But I will repeat my question that was not answered by anyone there. In what way has your relationship been diminished by talk of gay marriage? In what way is anyone's marriage any less because of the existence gay marriage? Does anyone feel this? What have they said to their partner?

I do not believe that you woke up on the morning after the bill had received royal assent and felt that your own relationship had been diminished.

Exactly ......... if you don't want to get gay married , marry someone who isn't the same sex as you

the spurious nonsense that somehow this is an affront to "morality" is just a convenient mask for those wanting impose their own codes on the rest of us

[Pabmusic]

Carrie made a most hearty supper, for which I was pleased; for I sometimes think she is not strong. There was scarcely a dish she did not taste. I was so thirsty, I could not eat much. Receiving a sharp slap on the shoulder, I turned, and, to my amazement, saw Farmerson, our ironmonger. He said, in the most familiar way: “This is better than Brickfield Terrace, eh?” I simply looked at him, and said coolly: “I never expected to see you here.” He said, with a loud, coarse laugh: “I like that - if YOU, why not ME?” I replied: “Certainly,” I wish I could have thought of something better to say. He said: “Can I get your good lady anything?” Carrie said: “No, I thank you,” for which I was pleased. I said, by way of reproof to him: “You never sent to-day to paint the bath, as I requested.” Farmerson said: “Pardon me, Mr. Pooter, no shop when we’re in company, please.”

I wish there were emoticons available on this thread! Brilliant!

[scottycelt]

Oh dear! I really do not want to reopen the Gay Marriage thread.

But I will repeat my question that was not answered by anyone there. In what way has your relationship been diminished by talk of gay marriage? In what way is anyone's marriage any less because of the existence gay marriage? Does anyone feel this? What have they said to their partner?

I do not believe that you woke up on the morning after the bill had received royal assent and felt that your own relationship had been diminished.

Well I suppose some of the more self-centred and absorbed feel exactly like that, Pab, and also consider themselves very cool and modern!

Let me throw the same sort of question back at you. What diminishes a homosexual relationship by the retention of the meaning of marriage that has existed for centuries? What gives non-heterosexuals the right to gate-crash an institution that has always been a heterosexual one? Homosexuals have Civil Partnerships which are barred to heterosexuals. Many homosexuals themselves have declared their opposition to any change.

So what's the problem here apart from an intense desire by 'gay-rights' obsessed social liberals intent on ramming their views down the throats of an unwilling and perfectly reasonable (and sizeable) chunk of the population?

I have always understood social liberals were supposed to be tolerant and respectful of the deeply-held views of others, especially minorities?

[amateur51]

Well I suppose some of the more self-centred and absorbed feel exactly like that, Pab, and also consider themselves very cool and modern!

Let me throw the same sort of question back at you. What diminishes a homosexual relationship by the retention of the meaning of marriage that has existed for centuries? What gives non-heterosexuals the right to gate-crash an institution that has always been a heterosexual one? Homosexuals have Civil Partnerships which are barred to heterosexuals. Many homosexuals themselves have declared their opposition to any change.

So what's the problem here apart from an intense desire by 'gay-rights' obsessed social liberals intent on ramming their views down the throats of an unwilling and perfectly reasonable (and sizeable) chunk of the population?

I have always understood social liberals were supposed to be tolerant and respectful of the deeply-held views of others, especially minorities?

You mean social liberals like Christians, scotty?

Never mind answering a question with another one, try answering Pabs' quite reasonable question.

[MrGongGong]

What diminishes a homosexual relationship by the retention of the meaning of marriage that has existed for centuries?

This is simply NOT true
it hasn't had the same meaning for "centuries" and no matter how many times you say it you will still be wrong about this !!!

[scottycelt]

This is simply NOT true
it hasn't had the same meaning for "centuries" and no matter how many times you say it you will still be wrong about this !!!

Yes, go on ... indicate when marriage has meant anything other than a heterosexual union until recent times? Any other century will do!

Failing that, please then explain what is simply NOT true ...

[MrGongGong]

Yes, go on ... indicate when marriage has meant anything other than a heterosexual union until recent times? Any other century will do!

Failing that, please then explain what is simply NOT true ...

Marriage was about property, land and power which (unless you are part of the "Windsors" ) isn't what it is today
so it's meaning has changed significantly and has not been the same "for centuries" at all

[Flosshilde]

ramming their views down the throats of an unwilling and perfectly reasonable (and sizeable) chunk of the population?

That would be Christians, would it?

[amateur51]

Yes, go on ... indicate when marriage has meant anything other than a heterosexual union until recent times? Any other century will do!

Failing that, please then explain what is simply NOT true ...

Scotty, things change, as you know.

Slavery is cool in the Bible, it isn't any more. Rape wasn't possible within marriage, it is now. Same sex couples weren't allowed to get married, they are now - you see a pattern forming here?

Dictionaries are reactive not proactive - perhaps that's your first mistake?