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  • Mary Chambers
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1963

    Are women still 'given away' in the church marriage service? My mother was ranting about that to me sixty-odd years ago - although she had gone along with it with gritted teeth. I didn't when I married - and as for promising to obey......!

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    • scottycelt

      Originally posted by Arcades Project View Post
      What are you talking about? What "feminist harangue" (& my God you hate women don't you?)
      No. as usual, you are quite wrong ... I am in utter awe of women, and having been brought up with four sisters, always have been.

      My problem (pace, ahinton) is with feminists. I find them appallingly sexist, uncouth and distinctly unattractive. I suspect I am not alone.

      Feminists should never be equated with women. The two, in my experience, are quite different.

      Women live in the world that exists and accept the reality of men. Feminists refuse to accept that reality and dream of a make-believe world where men don't exist.

      I much prefer women.

      Don't you?

      [Ed: I hope this is just over the top hyperbole in the heat of the moment. I would invite the member to moderate his language. The OED definition of feminist is: "An advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women."]
      Last edited by french frank; 28-07-13, 19:06.

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      • KipperKid

        Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
        No. as usual, you are quite wrong ... I am in utter awe of women, and having been brought up with four sisters, always have been.

        My problem (pace, ahinton) is with feminists. I find them appallingly sexist, uncouth and distinctly unattractive. I suspect I am not alone.

        Feminists should never be equated with women. The two, in my experience, are quite different.

        Women live in the world that exists and accept the reality of men. Feminists refuse to accept that reality and dream of a make-believe world where men don't exist.

        I much prefer women.

        Don't you?
        This sort of thing?

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        • jean
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 7100

          Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
          My problem (pace, ahinton) is with feminists. I find them appallingly sexist, uncouth and distinctly unattractive.
          There you go again, scotty - answering the wrong question.

          No-one is interested in what you think of feminists. What they would like to know is what you found in Arcades Project's measured, factual account (#233) that caused you to dub it a feminist harangue.

          Well?

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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30254

            I have added the following edit, to the post above:

            "[Ed: I hope this is just over the top hyperbole in the heat of the moment. I would invite the member to moderate his language. The OED definition of feminist is: "An advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women."]
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • ahinton
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 16122

              Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
              No. as usual, you are quite wrong ... I am in utter awe of women, and having been brought up with four sisters, always have been.

              My problem (pace, ahinton) is with feminists. I find them appallingly sexist, uncouth and distinctly unattractive. I suspect I am not alone.

              Feminists should never be equated with women. The two, in my experience, are quite different.

              Women live in the world that exists and accept the reality of men. Feminists refuse to accept that reality and dream of a make-believe world where men don't exist.

              I much prefer women.

              Don't you?

              [Ed: I hope this is just over the top hyperbole in the heat of the moment. I would invite the member to moderate his language. The OED definition of feminist is: "An advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women."]
              Hole. Dig. Deeper. (I refer here to scotty's post, not FF's editorial suffix thereto, naturally).

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              • ahinton
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 16122

                Originally posted by scottycelt
                Nowhere did Arcades Project's 'measured, factual account' <smiley> actually address the only point that I've been making all along, but which was studiously ignored as ever, ie that marriage hitherto has only been the union of, wait for it ... A MAN AND A WOMAN!
                Dare one begin to hope that your use of the word "hitherto" might suggest that you are at last getting to grips with reality here, scotty?

                Originally posted by scottycelt
                The terms and conditions of this union, however deplorable, are wholly irrelevant to the definition of the union itself.
                Were the terms and conditions of a legal arrangment to be irrelevant to its definition, it would surely render it meaningless in any practical sense.

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                • scottycelt

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  I have added the following edit, to the post above:

                  "[Ed: I hope this is just over the top hyperbole in the heat of the moment. I would invite the member to moderate his language. The OED definition of feminist is: "An advocate or supporter of the rights and equality of women."]
                  Since when were you and others here particularly interested in strict dictionary definitions? God, give me strength!

                  This has now got totally absurd.

                  I'll now leave you to it!

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                  • MrGongGong
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 18357

                    Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                    I'll now leave you to it!
                    You did start it matey
                    so taking your ball inside because people object to your misogyny is rather pathetic

                    Scotty .....the man (? or that's what we assume) that puts the dic in dictionary

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30254

                      If this thread is removed to Diversions, it will be the last one allowed on this subject unless there is a genuine new story. This is intemperate and giving offence.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Vile Consort
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 696

                        Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                        ... marriage has always MEANT the union of a man and woman and nothing else
                        No it hasn't. There have been periods where it meant the union of one man and many women. Even in the bible.

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                        • MrGongGong
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 18357

                          Originally posted by Vile Consort View Post
                          No it hasn't. There have been periods where it meant the union of one man and many women. Even in the bible.
                          After 3
                          ooooooooh no it hasn't
                          ooooooooh yes it has

                          It's Catholic panto time

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                          • KipperKid

                            Originally posted by scottycelt View Post
                            Since when were you and others here particularly interested in strict dictionary definitions? God, give me strength!

                            This has now got totally absurd.

                            I'll now leave you to it!
                            Stop banging your head against a brick wall Scotty, you've answered the questions over and over.

                            Posts #208 and #232 by ff and Pilamenon respectively, can be referred to as capturing the essence of the whole discussion, for those that care.

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                            • Arcades Project

                              scottycely consistently misrepresents - no lies about - my carefully argued & constructed posts concerning major law changes to do with the structural basis of marriage in the C19. He backs this up with a repulsive diatribe against feminists & feminism.

                              &, of course, he's encouraged by you.

                              I've completely wasted my time here. I know what I'd like to say, but I've too much respect for ff to say it on a public message board. Though I've no doubt ff will hide this post, scottycelt's having stood.

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                              • Simon

                                Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                                Welcome to la-la land, please drive carefully.
                                Do you really think it does you any credit, Barrett, to call people "Neanderthal" and to make posts like the one quoted above? And all that simply because the person believes that "marriage" is, and always has been, and always should be, a word relating to the heterosexual union of two people?

                                We're aware that you have little time for anyone who doesn't hold the same views as yourself, but the member in question is usually very courteous and I can't recall him being so offensive to you. I haven't made an official complaint, as I think it's important that these posts remain.

                                (If it were me, you'd have more excuse and I wouldn't mind in the slightest, as I have never sought to hide what I think of both yourself and your "music".)

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