Margaret Thatcher dies

[amateur51]

Are you suggesting there should be a quota?

As a first step only, I'm sure

[Flosshilde]

Followed by a cull?

Wouldn't leave many on the board.


(I was wondering about starting a thread on music for the funeral, but I thought that might come under the heading of 'provocative threads'.)

[Julien Sorel]

Btw, I don't demand anything. You'll find that it is the left that keep making demands of people.

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Get back on the other thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Beef Oven]

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Come on, you can do better than that.

[Mr Pee]

I think it's in appallingly bad taste. Diana was the wife & mother of heirs to the throne, & the Queen Mother was the wife of a king & mother of a Queen. Thatcher's children? Carol, a journalist, & Mark, a ... ?

Hang on, Flossie, you and your leftie clique are the first to get your knickers in a twist over the whole principal of a hereditary monarchy; yet you think it is acceptable for a state funeral to be granted to somebody who was simply born into/married into the Royal Family, but you then don't think it is right for the country's first female Prime Minister, who rose from being a shop-keeper's daughter in Grantham to the highest office in the land? And what do her children have to do with it?

[amateur51]

"Rest in Peace" highly provocative.

What a sick lot you are.

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[amateur51]

Like the legendary Norwegian Blue, she is not resting. She is dead. She is no more. Next business.

[Beef Oven]

Hang on, Flossie, you and your leftie clique are the first to get your knickers in a twist over the whole principal of a hereditary monarchy; yet you think it is acceptable for a state funeral to be granted to somebody who was simply born into/married into the Royal Family, but you then don't think it is right for the country's first female Prime Minister, who rose from being a shop-keeper's daughter in Grantham to the highest office in the land? And what do her children have to do with it?

Quote: Flosshilde on the protocols of state funerals and the suggestion that Maggie should get one:

"I think it's in appallingly bad taste. Diana was the wife & mother of heirs to the throne, & the Queen Mother was the wife of a king & mother of a Queen."

Closet Monarchist comes out

[Tapiola]

As much as I dislike(d) Thatcher, I was brought up never to speak ill of the dead.

Thatcher is often accused of a lack of compassion. On the evidence here, we are (mostly) Thatcher's children.

No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine own were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.

[amateur51]

I'm normally the last person to defend the Iron Lady, but I've always felt she wasn't quite so bad on this one.
When people blame their ills on "society", they are avoiding taking responsibility upon themselves. If by saying "There is no such thing as society" she meant that you cannot blame everything on others, then I agree with her. That said, I disagreed with just about everything else she said.

But I doubt whether she'd have put up with Michael G***.

She put up with Kenneth Baker

[Beef Oven]

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Amsy, I've checked the house rules and Mr Pee is within the bounds. I quote the rules thus: "Please do not post copyright material other than short quotes - copyright holders object."

[gradus]

I was interested in the point earlier in the thread about the use made of the 'dosh' raised by the Thatcher privatisations, the answer seems to be in order to cut income tax:
'By the late eighties the British Treasury was receiving annual revenue from privatization sales averaging $8 billion, while total government revenue was roughly $300 billion. The revenues from privatization helped the Thatcher government cut income taxes over the decade from a bottom rate of 33 percent down to 25 percent, and from a top rate of 98 percent down to 40 percent.'
Source: The Adam Smith Institute

[Mr Pee]

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How many more times? You are in no position to preach.

I do think it is a very sad reflection on the prevailing tone of these boards that a perfectly standard wish that a deceased individual should RIP is considered to be "highly provocative" and I think that it was quite wrong of FF to remove it from the thread title. She says it is about being even-handed. I disagree. I think it is far from that. I am angered that it has been removed, as are others. What would have been even-handed would have been to leave the thread title alone and let posters debate the rights or wrongs.

[Beef Oven]

I was interested in the point earlier in the thread about the use made of the 'dosh' raised by the Thatcher privatisations, the answer seems to be in order to cut income tax:
'By the late eighties the British Treasury was receiving annual revenue from privatization sales averaging $8 billion, while total government revenue was roughly $300 billion. The revenues from privatization helped the Thatcher government cut income taxes over the decade from a bottom rate of 33 percent down to 25 percent, and from a top rate of 98 percent down to 40 percent.'
Source: The Adam Smith Institute

Interesting. Wealth of the nation re-distributed through the tax system, with the better off paying more income tax than the less well off and relative-poor, both in terms of total amounts and as a proportion of their income (exactly as it should be in any humane society).

[Beef Oven]

How many more times? You are in no position to preach.

I do think it is a very sad indictment that the conventional wish that the deceased should RIP is considered to be "highly provocative" and I think that it was quite wrong of FF to remove it from the thread title. She says it is about being even-handed. I disagree. I think it is far from that. I am angered that it has been removed, as are others. What would have been even-handed would have been to leave the thread title alone and let posters debate the rights or wrongs.

Indeed it was an error of judgement. To be fair, the harridans were on her back.