Margaret Thatcher dies

[french frank]

Thank you Frenchie for removing the highly provocative "R.I.P".

And the 'Baroness' , I hope you note . I'm not in favour of titles, me.

[Flosshilde]

Well, former PM Sir Winston Churchill had a very special funeral, one my early memories. I'm sure others did. It's someone else's decision Mary, not yours :o

Well, he did do something (eventually) worth celebrating, which is rather more than Thatcher did. The policies & 'achievements' people are celebrating have been umitigated disasters. I'm pretty sure no other PM has had a 'special' funeral, & I don't think that any other PM has been ousted by their party while in office.

[Beef Oven]

I think you probably have worked that one out for yourself ?
I'm sure you can find a load of weeping sheep on the Daily Mail website if thats what you seek ................

So what music would YOU be playing this evening then Peester ?

how about Elgar's ...... The Windlass ?

Selling off state industries was not good, but we can be thankful for being liberated from the robber-barons that were strangling the country.

RIP Maggie

[french frank]

So what happened to the RIP bit?

It's called being even-handed.

[MrGongGong]

Selling off state industries was not good, but we can be thankful for being liberated from the robber-barons that were strangling the country.

RIP Maggie

Robber Barons ?
So selling off what was ours and now is owned by unknown private equity firms was a good thing ?

I think not

[Beef Oven]

Robber Barons ?
So selling off what was ours and now is owned by unknown private equity firms was a good thing ?

I think not

You don't understand. I know it was quite vague when I said SELLING OFF STATE INDUSTRIES WAS NOT GOOD. What I meant was, SELLING OFF STATE INDUSTRIES WAS NOT GOOD. Clear now?

The Robber Barons I was referring to were the Trades Unions. Stick to what you know

[MrGongGong]

You miss understand. I know it was quite vague when I said SELLING OFF STATE INDUSTRIES WAS NOT GOOD. What I meant was, SELLING OFF STATE INDUSTRIES WAS NOT GOOD. Clear now?

The Robber Barons I was referring to were the Trades Unions. Stick to what you know

I no miss

You fall into the trap of the politicians of thinking that there are only two ways to do everything .............
The basic Tory strategy is that EVERYTHING is better off run by "Barons"
which is simply wrong
but the alternative doesn't have to be a Collective Farm .......... there are many ways of doing things
politicians like to think there are only two
and they are wrong about that

So is it Kipper policy to renationalise the power industry ?
or water ?
or the other things that ARE collective ?

[french frank]

So selling off what was ours and now is owned by unknown private equity firms was a good thing ?

And even though Macmillan said that 'as a Conservative' he was in favour of returning nationalised industries to the private sector, "What I ventured to question was the using of these huge sums as if they were income."

[Beef Oven]

I no miss

You fall into the trap of the politicians of thinking that there are only two ways to do everything .............
The basic Tory strategy is that EVERYTHING is better off run by "Barons"
which is simply wrong
but the alternative doesn't have to be a Collective Farm .......... there are many ways of doing things
politicians like to think there are only two
and they are wrong about that

So is it Kipper policy to renationalise the power industry ?
or water ?
or the other things that ARE collective ?

The chimp is talking to the professor!!!!!!!!!!

[John Wright]

Originally Posted by John Wright View Post

Well, former PM Sir Winston Churchill had a very special funeral, one my early memories. I'm sure others did. It's someone else's decision Mary, not yours

Well, he did do something (eventually) worth celebrating, which is rather more than Thatcher did. The policies & 'achievements' people are celebrating have been umitigated disasters. I'm pretty sure no other PM has had a 'special' funeral, & I don't think that any other PM has been ousted by their party while in office.

Sorting out Scargill and the Falklands were hardly disasters. The miners suffered but Scargill was just as bad an enemy to them by not negotiating in a professional manner.



- and look at past PM's wikis and you read about special funerals Churchill and several others

[MrGongGong]

The chimp is talking to the professor!!!!!!!!!!

I haven't seem the professor for a while ?
or are you over estimating your own qualifications ?

[french frank]

The miners suffered but Scargill was just as bad an enemy to them by not negotiating in a professional manner.

Ah, yes, the miners. Macmillan again:

"It breaks my heart to see—and I cannot interfere—what is happening in our country today. This terrible strike, by the best men in the world, who beat the Kaiser's and Hitler's armies and never gave in. It is pointless and we cannot afford that kind of thing. Then there is the growing division of Conservative prosperity in the south and the ailing north and Midlands. We used to have battles and rows but they were quarrels. Now there is a new kind of wicked hatred that has been brought in by different types of people."

[Beef Oven]

I haven't seem the professor for a while ?
or are you over estimating your own qualifications ?

Fair game, I'm no professor. Glad you didn't dispute the chimp bit.


Moving on, ok, so you met the grand old lady back in the day when you were a kid, but it doesn't mean you know more about her than me.

[DracoM]

Hubris personified. The ugly legacy she left in the North of England still smarts and scars today.
Certainly NOT a state funeral. We did not know as much about other PMs. About Thatcher, we know a heck of a lot. I would be utterly opposed to a state funeral.

[John Wright]

And if the exclusion zone had recently been increased in size? It really does seem to be very convenient for Thatcher's government.

Thatcher herself did not use your argument in her wrangle (ff's word ) with Diana Gould. She used the 'Belgrano was a danger to our ships even when moving away' argument, which is pretty hard to swallow.

Well as I said, an exclusion zone defines certainty of attack, but in war one can attack retreaters wherever they may be. WWI and WWII guns were used in 'offensive action' or bombardments to blast the enemy and destroy their artillery when they were retreating or cowering in their trenches, and on the seas many 'retreating' battleships were chased by submarines until they were destroyed.