The BSkyB argument thread

[Flosshilde]

Oh, I've never said the Guardian's perfect - far from it. Just that it's the best there is, & given the state of most of the British press , that's not difficult (or shouldn't be). It does have some blind spots.


There are rather more you could add to your list of 'businesses'. But 1) their primary purpose isn't to make money; and 2) they are more likely to feature as the 'arts' element in an award for business sponsorship for the arts, not as the 'business' element, as Sky did.

But as usual you miss, or avoid, the point.

[Mr Pee]

But as usual you miss, or avoid, the point.

Er, no, I rather think it is you who is missing the point, again.

If we accept that Sky is a business, then why is it wrong for them to sponsor and promote artistic projects, such as the literary festivals, or the Sky Ignition series? Would you rather they did not do so? The arts need all the help they can get.

http://www.artsandbusiness.org.uk/News/2010/november/simon-hornby-sky-arts.aspx

http://www.creativeboom.co.uk/news/rpm-and-sky-arts-to-inspire-consumers-with-sky-arts-den/

http://www.newsonnews.net/networks/13675-sky-arts-promises-bigger-and-bolder-ground-breaking-programming-for-2012.html

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=11&int_new=34644&int_modo=2

http://www.ideastap.com/Opportunities/Brief/f5eebaff-7f13-40bb-bfa8-9ef10145a8b1

http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/sky-arts-recruits-ronnie-and-jo/

And I think you will find that in the real world, not your lovely pink and fluffy Guardian dreamland, it is very much a primary aim of the organisations listed to make money.

[amateur51]

Er, no, I rather think it is you who is missing the point, again.

If we accept that Sky is a business, then why is it wrong for them to sponsor and promote artistic projects, such as the literary festivals, or the Sky Ignition series? Would you rather they did not do so? The arts need all the help they can get.

http://www.artsandbusiness.org.uk/News/2010/november/simon-hornby-sky-arts.aspx

http://www.creativeboom.co.uk/news/rpm-and-sky-arts-to-inspire-consumers-with-sky-arts-den/

http://www.newsonnews.net/networks/13675-sky-arts-promises-bigger-and-bolder-ground-breaking-programming-for-2012.html

http://www.artdaily.com/index.asp?int_sec=11&int_new=34644&int_modo=2

http://www.ideastap.com/Opportunities/Brief/f5eebaff-7f13-40bb-bfa8-9ef10145a8b1

http://www.thecmuwebsite.com/article/sky-arts-recruits-ronnie-and-jo/

And I think you will find that in the real world, not your lovely pink and fluffy Guardian dreamland, it is very much a primary aim of the organisations listed to make money.

Blimey, the Wrath of Pee roused so early in the morning!

[John Wright]

Mr Pee, I've skimmed this thread but the gist of it is that there are several posters here who do not subscribe to Sky/SkyArts and they are just miffed that the rest of us have access to a huge amount of video/music which they don't...... and don't let the b..... g....

[Mr Pee]

Blimey, the Wrath of Pee roused so early in the morning!

You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.......

[amateur51]

Mr Pee, I've skimmed this thread but the gist of it is that there are several posters here who do not subscribe to Sky/SkyArts and they are just miffed that the rest of us have access to a huge amount of video/music which they don't...... and don't let the b..... g....

Not 'do not subscribe' John Wright but 'choose not to subscribe' and the miffed bit relates to Rupert Murdoch's unpaid and unsolicited mouthpiece Mr Pee sounding off about it at every opportunity, in spite of the calm intervention of our host, on a website devoted to BBC Radio Three.

Again, I suggest that Sky Arts subscribers should ask Sky for their own forum in which to discuss Sky Arts' award-winning output. I promise that I wouldn't contribute to it

[Flosshilde]

Mr Pee, I've skimmed this thread but the gist of it is that there are several posters here who do not subscribe to Sky/SkyArts and they are just miffed that the rest of us have access to a huge amount of video/music which they don't...... and don't let the b..... g....

I do not subscribe &, as Amateur51 says, would not subscribe, for a variety of reasons, mostly relating to ownership & the way the owner skews the market in buying rights to televise certain events & denigrates the BBC - but we've been here before & Pee (& you?) is so enamoured of BSB that he can't or won't understand well-founded reservations.

As for being miffed, based on the very very few times I've had access to Sky Arts 2 it seems to have a rather limited output. It reminds me of the early days of CFM when the same bits of music came round frequently, presumably becuse they had a limited library of CDs. I guess that Sky Arts library of DVDs must be similarly limited. It would seem to be rather poor value for money.

[Mr Pee]

Not 'do not subscribe' John Wright but 'choose not to subscribe' and the miffed bit relates to Rupert Murdoch's unpaid and unsolicited mouthpiece Mr Pee sounding off about it at every opportunity, in spite of the calm intervention of our host, on a website devoted to BBC Radio Three.

Again, I suggest that Sky Arts subscribers should ask Sky for their own forum in which to discuss Sky Arts' award-winning output. I promise that I wouldn't contribute to it

You mention the calm intervention of our host, but you now seem to be completely ignoring what was said by FF. I know that ignoring inconvenient facts is a regulatr habit of yours on these boards, but since you raised it, allow me to "remind" you:-

Mr Pee has been given the go-ahead to post on matters relating to Sky programmes, not least because there are others with Sky who appreciate the heads-up. If we restricted the Radio 3 Forum to Radio 3 and its own programmes we could dispense with Platform 3 straight away.

I am well aware that there are 'issues' relating to Sky and Mr Pee has entered into a compensating agreement regarding other threads on those issues which people want, legitimately, to discuss. I would ask those who wish to pursue those 'other issues' to do so elsewhere and consider Sky threads as no more than they purport to be: posts about programmes which may be of common interest.

Signed:

I Vince

Nobody is forcing you to read a thread about Sky programming. If it causes you so much anguish, it's really very simple. Don't read and don't contribute. I am sure we would all be happier as a result. Ditto Flosshilde.

[amateur51]

Written to Sky Arts yet, have you Mr Pee?

[Flosshilde]

Again, I suggest that Sky Arts subscribers should ask Sky for their own forum in which to discuss Sky Arts' award-winning output. I promise that I wouldn't contribute to it

No need to ask - it's already there -

http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Programming-Channels/bd-p/sky_programmingchannels

Aren't I helpful?

[amateur51]

No need to ask - it's already there -

http://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky-Programming-Channels/bd-p/sky_programmingchannels

Aren't I helpful?

Get to it, Mr Pee, John Wright, Vodka et al - you know you want to

SkyArts does not appear to be represented at all - you have some work to do, I'd say

[Flosshilde]

You mention the calm intervention of our host, but you now seem to be completely ignoring what was said by FF. I know that ignoring inconvenient facts is a regulatr habit of yours on these boards, but since you raised it, allow me to "remind" you:-

Nobody is forcing you to read a thread about Sky programming. If it causes you so much anguish, it's really very simple. Don't read and don't contribute. I am sure we would all be happier as a result. Ditto Flosshilde.

You know, Pee, there's a big difference between "posts about programmes which may be of common interest." & the sort of puffery you habitually indulge in.

[Mr Pee]

You know, Pee, there's a big difference between "posts about programmes which may be of common interest." & the sort of puffery you habitually indulge in.

Right. Like alerting fellow subscribers to the upcoming Mahler cycle, precisely as FF suggested was acceptable. Why did you even bother looking at-never mind "contributing" to- the thread, since you have made it abundantly clear over and over again that you don't have Sky?

And as for puffery- one short quote from your favourite newspaper. So what? It's not as if I made it up. Again, if you hadn't looked at and then waded into the thread with your usual juvenalia, you wouldn't have even been aware of such "puffery".

[french frank]

on a website devoted to BBC Radio Three.

Ah, yes. Now I was going to mention that Leveson Inquiry thread. And the 'We're all in this together' one. And the Windies Test Series. The Round Ball Game? Stormy Weather? Or indeed anything on BBC Four.

The lovely thing about moving these threads down to the Basement is that ... casual visitors can't read them

[Flosshilde]

I've been browsing through the Basement threads, & they really are most diverting . There were a couple featuring Simon that had me in stitches

But they did make me understand that you are an absolute saint, ff.