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  • MrGongGong
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    • Nov 2010
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    The allternative Maestro thread

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    Perhaps someone who might have been to an opera?
    I'm not sure that that would help
    after all , David Cameron had a disabled son and look what he's doing
    some people don't learn by experience !

    but in this case I suspect you might be right
  • Mr Pee
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    • Nov 2010
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    #2
    Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
    I'm not sure that that would help
    after all , David Cameron had a disabled son and look what he's doing

    I find that remark to be in very poor taste.
    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

    Mark Twain.

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    • MrGongGong
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      #3
      Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
      I find that remark to be in very poor taste.
      Not as "poor taste" as mr Cameron i'm afraid
      he should be ashamed of himself

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      • amateur51

        #4
        Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
        I find that remark to be in very poor taste.
        Well of course, you've chosen not to quote the full 'remark' ...

        "I'm not sure that that would help
        after all , David Cameron had a disabled son and look what he's doing
        some people don't learn by experience ! "

        Cameron has presided over a Government whose actions would mean that people like his son and their families are severely disadvantaged.

        As Kenneth Williams would have finished "ya great fool!"

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        • Mr Pee
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          #5
          Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
          Well of course, you've chosen not to quote the full 'remark' ...

          "I'm not sure that that would help
          after all , David Cameron had a disabled son and look what he's doing
          some people don't learn by experience ! "

          Cameron has presided over a Government whose actions would mean that people like his son and their families are severely disadvantaged.
          I quoted the most relevant part, and the part that I thought was in poor taste. If Mr. GG had simply said, "Look what David Cameron's doing, some people don't learn by experience", then that would not have been so offensive. But to use a family tragedy such as this to score cheap points is, as I said, in extremely poor taste.

          Whatever one thinks of Cameron's politics, there is no justification for such a cheap shot.

          (Edit:- No comment on rollmill's post, Amateur? )
          Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

          Mark Twain.

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          • MrGongGong
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            #6
            Cheap point or not it matters not
            like I said for someone in his position to actively disadvantage people like his son is immoral , unethical and he deserves utter contempt for doing so


            I guess you aren't the parent of a disabled child then ?

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            • Mr Pee
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              #7
              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post


              I guess you aren't the parent of a disabled child then ?
              No, I am not.

              David Cameron was.

              Are you?
              Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

              Mark Twain.

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              • MrGongGong
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                #8
                Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
                No, I am not.

                David Cameron was.

                Are you?
                Yes I am

                so don't lecture me about what is "good taste" or not on this matter

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                • Mr Pee
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                  Yes I am

                  so don't lecture me about what is "good taste" or not on this matter
                  Well, I'll just have to take your word for that, won't I?

                  And I stand by my view that your comment was in poor taste.
                  Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

                  Mark Twain.

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                  • MrGongGong
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
                    Well, I'll just have to take your word for that, won't I?

                    And I stand by my view that your comment was in poor taste.
                    Yes you will
                    if you can see down that far from your high horse ?
                    poor taste matters little to those this horrible man is causing to suffer
                    I only hope that every night when he goes to bed and closes his eyes he sees his son who died tragically young and maybe , just maybe he might gain an ounce of empathy or compassion for those he is causing to suffer as a direct result of his arrogance

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                    • rank_and_file

                      #11
                      Mr GongGong

                      You really do have a massive left-wing chip on each shoulder, which has virtually ruined this thread.

                      Readers are interested in what happened with the BBC and the ROH, not in your personal subjective and warped views on what Cameron is supposed to be doing to the disabled children in this land. Bile you have by the bucket-load: charity nill.

                      I am quite surprised that the Moderator has not stepped in and censored or deleted your unwelcome posts 129, 136, 152 and 157 virtually comparing Cameron to a second King Herod.

                      If you really think your particular views have any interest to people on a classical music board you can open a thread in Platform 3?
                      Last edited by Guest; 06-05-12, 15:46. Reason: to correct typo

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                      • MrGongGong
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                        #12
                        Where on earth do you get "left wing" from ?
                        no don't bother

                        and yes I do have plenty of bile for some very good reasons
                        whether they are "warped" or not

                        I am interested in the ROH BBC etc
                        but if you actually READ what I said
                        I was making a (OK very strong admittedly) point that having experience of something
                        doesn't necessarily mean that one understands it very well ................ you will find that it was our resident Cage expert and cyclist who found it offensive and I merely responded to him ............ which was probably a mistake on my part

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                        • Flosshilde
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
                          Well, I'll just have to take your word for that, won't I?
                          Pee, that's about the most un-gracious & offensive comment I've seen on this forum . You really have excelled yourself.

                          Mr GongGong's original comment was perfectly understandable to anyone with two braincells to rub together. Cameron had made great play about how wonderful the NHS had been in regard to caring for his son, & how much he appreciated it. He then went on to support a bill which promises to destroy much of what is best about the NHS.

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                          • Prommer
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                            • Dec 2010
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                            #14
                            Could we calm down. Think we have erred and strayed...

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                            • MrGongGong
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Flosshilde View Post
                              Pee, that's about the most un-gracious & offensive comment I've seen on this forum . You really have excelled yourself.

                              Mr GongGong's original comment was perfectly understandable to anyone with two braincells to rub together. Cameron had made great play about how wonderful the NHS had been in regard to caring for his son, & how much he appreciated it. He then went on to support a bill which promises to destroy much of what is best about the NHS.
                              Thanks

                              I guess I unwisely used it as a good example of how having knowledge of something (i.e reading music, playing an instrument) doesn't mean that one automatically understands. To assume that because one has grade 5 theory that one would AUTOMATICALLY be a better conductor is daft IMV (or rather experience) ....... which is NOT to say that reading musical notation isn't useful or even necessary. I'm currently transcribing a score for someone who is blind, she can't "read" music but has "written" some great stuff !

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