The Dictatorship of the Etonariat
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So the Lib Dems, who not so long ago supported a referendum, are now the party of principles, who are going to stop Brexit all on their own.........
Well I suppose if they want to play with the older kids, They will have to learn to posture and put their own interests above those of the country as the Tories and Labour have.
Chances of a tory led government must have shot up. But then the Lib Dems like tory governments.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Postdemocracy as we know it
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For dejected remainers it is not encouraging that Libdems are the only plausible refuge in these ludicrous times. For pro-Europeans it is thoroughly depressing to see the referendum result causing ongoing national agony and turmoil and the Goverment wasting its time trying to achieve something which isn't worth achieving and has indeed already been detrimental to our country before it has even been implemented. Anti-EU elements like to call us bad losers. Alas, we are all losers.
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Plenty of remainers will be voting Labour, because Labour offer a plausible possible route to remaining.
If you are a remainer in a Labour /Tory marginal, the " principled " vote for the lib dems will be wasted, as so many other votes are under FPTP.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostPlenty of remainers will be voting Labour, because Labour offer a plausible possible route to remaining.
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostIn fact if you still want to hold onto some hope of remaining, voting Labour is by far the best bet unless you're in a LD/Tory seat. I think this will become clearer once election campaigns are underway. As far as I'm concerned the LDs' strategy now to ignore Leave voters isn't much better than the Tories' strategy to ignore Remainers. How is either going to lead to anything except more division? I can imagine that isn't a problem for the current fanatical makeup of the Tory party, but the LDs are supposed to be a voice of reason and consensus (or at least they were before they went into coalition with Cameron).Last edited by ahinton; 13-09-19, 13:41.
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Labour policy is ro support a confirmatory referendun on any deal Given that Labour is absolutely certain to be one of tye two biggest parties, in any seat that is a clear Labour / Tory maginal, voting Labour should be a no brainer for remainers, I should have thought.also, Corbyn may be happy to Leave, but he is going to have to take the party with him in order to achieve that. For all of Swinson’s rhetoric, Corbyn and Labour are an essentially democratic outfit.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostLabour policy is ro support a confirmatory referendun on any deal Given that Labour is absolutely certain to be one of tye two biggest parties, in any seat that is a clear Labour / Tory maginal, voting Labour should be a no brainer for remainers, I should have thought.also, Corbyn may be happy to Leave, but he is going to have to take the party with him in order to achieve that. For all of Swinson’s rhetoric, Corbyn and Labour are an essentially democratic outfit.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostAnd let's face it, whatever Corbyn's view is on leaving or remaining, if the choice is between remain or leave with an agreement - which would be in accordance with parliamentary majority voting against no deal - neither side of the divided public is left in a position to point a finger of blame. In any case, democratically agreed positions taken following debate are in principle, surely, far preferable to constant deferring to what leaders think, as if they are god-like all-determining figureheads.
BTW, do I win today’s typo prize ?I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostIn any case, democratically agreed positions taken following debate are in principle, surely, far preferable to constant deferring to what leaders think, as if they are god-like all-determining figureheads.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostPositions determined by vote following debate on motions at conference, no?
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