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Originally posted by CGR View PostFrom The Spectator
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Originally posted by DracoM View PostMaybe, but then checkout on same map other NW / NE England, Scottish and Welsh constituencies - erm..........?
Not a few of which are Tory and show for the sitting MP's an uncomfortable number signing in. So..........? Where to now?
If even a modest proportion in marginals changed their vote in a GE to a more remain inclined party, it would be significant.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostDoes 0.7% in Rochdale cf 6.3% in Islington reflect the views of the population, or the inclination or otherwise to engage in such petitions? Would the outcome be different in a non-Brexit matter?
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Originally posted by DracoM View PostMaybe, but then checkout on same map other NW / NE England, Scottish and Welsh constituencies - erm..........?
Not a few of which are Tory and show for the sitting MP's an uncomfortable number signing in. So..........? Where to now?
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Originally posted by DracoM View PostMaybe, but then checkout on same map other NW / NE England, Scottish and Welsh constituencies - erm..........?
Not a few of which are Tory and show for the sitting MP's an uncomfortable number signing in. So..........? Where to now?
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostPretty sure I read somewhere that 40% of Tory voters voted remain.
If even a modest proportion in marginals changed their vote in a GE to a more remain inclined party, it would be significant.
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Originally posted by teamsaint View PostBut just pinning the blame on one flawed aspect of a system that is,also inevitably, flawed to a greater or lesser degree at every level, doesn’t move things on.
Those who favour remain would no doubt grab another “plebiscite “with both hands right now.
And the liberal left ,( as well as the lunatic right) has a hell of a lot of questions to answer, I’m sorry to say.
A8 accession issues, the ruthless undermining of the Labour party since Corbyn won the leadership, loss of trust post Iraq and so on and so on.........
Are you likely to get the Brexit you or any Labour Party members/supporters want, from the present position? It is now a crude, ruthless, rightwing, royalist-frogmarching hijack, by Tories like Daniel Hannan obsessed with it since the 1990s..... (and they have no new "arguments"...)
Should you still wish to pursue it, it needs a truly democratic reset at the very least...
I've written today, and several times previously, to my local Labour MP to ask for that (inter alia!!)...Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 29-08-19, 19:06.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostNothing to do with "bad form" - everything to do with people leaving the Forum because of the bad feeling caused on the Political Threads, which sadly happens with each such discussion. And to do with the requirement of the Hosts (that collection of "angry, impotent liberals" who simultaneously manage to behave like Tsarist Russians), to keep close watch on what is posted - and to respond when the Complaints start arriving in our (private, home) e-Mails (oooh, goody: more have arrived since I started writing this post!).
Every time a "Political" Thread begins, my heart sinks - because the record on the Forum is ... "consistent": people begin reasonably, set up opposing viewpoints, and stick to them no matter what, to the point where the mud starts to be slung. I do not see how it could be otherwise on a Forum such as this, "run" by volunteers who endeavour to maintain as strictly unbiased an attitude as possible - especially about a topic as polarising as Brexit and the political machinations of the toxic Tory party. But I let the Threads run each time in the hope that maybe, just maybe this time it will run well - there will be an expression of views (or even just a basic expression of anger from impotent liberals) that won't descend into serious acrimony - again. When it does so descend, that's when it gets closed.
The Hosts' job is to maintain and expand membership - political Threads lose members. Simple as ...
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