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Originally posted by gradus View PostThomas Cook reportedly needed £200m, doesn't seem very much in the great scheme of things if it could have saved 9,000 jobs. Odd that the German govt and the State of Hesse found 380million euros to save Condor, TC's German subsidiary.
I really don't understand why Labour haven't seized on this, or have I missed it in the Supreme Court hubbub.
If I f*ck up my work by not anticipating what is likely to come in the future (and I know a few HE institutions who have been recently "surprised" by the number of students applying to study music, it's been a HUGE secret that music education has been in engineered decline, I know ) can I get a future Labour government to bail me out as well ?
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Surely it's part of the Labour party's enthusiasm for environmental concerns to ensure that companies like TC go out of business anyway ? All those air miles and unnecessary flights
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostIf I f*ck up my work by not anticipating what is likely to come in the future (and I know a few HE institutions who have been recently "suprised" by the number of students applying to study music, it's been a HUGE secret that music education has been in engineered decline, I know ) can I get a future Labour government to bail me out as well ?
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostSurely it's part of the Labour party's enthusiasm for environmental concerns to ensure that companies like TC go out of business anyway ? All those air miles and unnecessary flights
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostDepriving people of their livelihoods from one day to the next isn't exactly environmentally responsible, is it? Yes of course there's a serious point here, about what happens to people in industries that contribute the most to climate change, but air transport contributes 1.7% to total CO2 production compared with 10.5% by road transport and 11.3% by deforestation. A longer term plan that committed to reducing emissions would have to redistribute wealth so that working hours can be reduced and unnecessarily polluting activities shut down.
Are you going to reduce your working hours ?
Personally i'm increasing mine as i've got a commission to work on and it's likely to absorb hours and hours
Maybe the whole idea of what we mean by "working hours" and "work" is also in need of an examination ?
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostIndeed
Are you going to reduce your working hours ?
Personally i'm increasing mine as i've got a commission to work on and it's likely to absorb hours and hours
Maybe the whole idea of what we mean by "working hours" and "work" is also in need of an examination ?
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Originally posted by Bryn View PostHaving worked for a couple of decades in a role governed by working hours legislation aimed at protecting the health and safety of both employees and those they served, I take exception to the use of suggestions of reduction of working hours as a cheap debating point. The context of Mr. Barrett's reference to the reduction of working hours clearly related to those whose working hours were controlled by others, not the hours worked by those in control of their own working.
and I DO think that there are many people who do need their working hours tightly controlled
but when I hear talk about this from many on the "left" it's always assumed that the "workers" are in the employment of the nasty "bosses"
maybe it IS time for a rethink of how things work on a more fundamental level?
I've just had a project cancelled next year because the head of a school won't allow the head of music to go to a meeting or take their students to a concert. What sort of way is that to manage anything ?
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostPoint taken
and I DO think that there are many people who do need their working hours tightly controlled
but when I hear talk about this from many on the "left" it's always assumed that the "workers" are in the employment of the nasty "bosses"
maybe it IS time for a rethink of how things work on a more fundamental level?
I've just had a project cancelled next year because the head of a school won't allow the head of music to go to a meeting or take their students to a concert. What sort of way is that to manage anything ?
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Originally posted by gradus View PostThomas Cook reportedly needed £200m, doesn't seem very much in the great scheme of things if it could have saved 9,000 jobs. Odd that the German govt and the State of Hesse found 380million euros to save Condor, TC's German subsidiary.
I really don't understand why Labour haven't seized on this, or have I missed it in the Supreme Court hubbub."I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest
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Originally posted by LHC View PostThomas Cook has debts of nearly £2bn, and had already had an injunction of £300m a few months ago. £200m would have kept it going for a couple of months, at which point it would have failed again. It would have needed much more money to address its failing business model and start to reduce its debts. The suggestion that £200m would have saved TC and its workers’ jobs is wrong.
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View Postbut when I hear talk about this from many on the "left" it's always assumed that the "workers" are in the employment of the nasty "bosses"
maybe it IS time for a rethink of how things work on a more fundamental level?
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Originally posted by Bryn View PostI take it the "injunction" was either a typo or an auto-correct failure for "injection"."I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest
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