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The Dictatorship of the Etonariat
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostThe SC ruling suggests Corbyn's strategy on Brexit could be right. Be that as may, most of the opposition parties find themselves more in agreement for a second referendum now, general election or no general election.
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostThat does leave the LibDems somewhat out in the cold, doesn't it? What I find difficult to get my head round is that so many Remain-minded people seem more enthusiastic about the LDs' policy of ditching Brexit immediately (unless they go into coalition with the Tories in which case they'd probably shelve it in favour of getting shafted again on the question of proportional representation) than about a second referendum - if they're so convinced of the rightness of their cause, of not having the result skewed by lies and obfuscation from the Leave side, and of all those new voters helping to swing the result, what is there to be afraid of?
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Originally posted by John Locke View Post. . . how can you have the chair of the meeting thinking a vote on a show of hands had been passed, and then having her mind changed by the person sitting next to her looking at the same auditorium? and no card count?
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Originally posted by Richard Barrett View PostThat does leave the LibDems somewhat out in the cold, doesn't it? What I find difficult to get my head round is that so many Remain-minded people seem more enthusiastic about the LDs' policy of ditching Brexit immediately (unless they go into coalition with the Tories in which case they'd probably shelve it in favour of getting shafted again on the question of proportional representation) than about a second referendum - if they're so convinced of the rightness of their cause, of not having the result skewed by lies and obfuscation from the Leave side, and of all those new voters helping to swing the result, what is there to be afraid of?
In 2017 there was a pact between Labour and Lib Dem voters in York Inner and York Outer to try to oust Sturdy. Labour got pretty close, and Luke, the candidate (who happened to live a few doors away), was justifiably pleased. I'm not sure that such an arrangement would satisfy voters (including me!) next time, not least because I'm not sure that I can support either Labour or Lib Dem policy. We are, however, doing our bit by encouraging students to register: many of them think they live in York Inner but they may well be in York Outer!
General election 2017: York Outer
Party Candidate Votes %
Conservative Julian Sturdy 29,356 51.1
Labour Luke Charters-Reid 21,067 36.7
Liberal Democrat James Blanchard 5,910 10.3
Green Bethan Vincent 1,094 1.9
Majority 8,289 14.4
Turnout 57,427 75.7
Conservative hold
PS: Not sure of the logic of the pact now! I think Lib Dems in York Inner agreed to vote Labour (to support the sitting MP) in exchange for Labour voters in York Outer voting Lib Dem, thinking that they stood the better chance of ousting Sturdy. In that case, it didn't really work (though Luke still did well!).
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Originally posted by John Locke View PostOthers think that this strategy to 'please Remainers and Leavers' will end up pleasing neither side.
Originally posted by John Locke View PostAnd how can you have the chair of the meeting thinking a vote on a show of hands had been passed, and then having her mind changed by the person sitting next to her looking at the same auditorium? and no card count?
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Originally posted by gurnemanz View PostYou've heard the judgement. Get the T-Shirt
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Originally posted by Bryn View PostJC just shot himself in the foot. How can someone in that position not know the difference between unlawful and illegal? Sure, someone else may have written the speech but he should have spotted the error and not recited it.
Jaywalking is a good example of an unlawful act. Traffic regulations do not typically say that you cannot walk diagonally through an intersection. So, it is not illegal. Rather, traffic regulations typically provide that you can cross within a crosswalk when the little walky-man appears. Crossing in any other way is unlawful because it is not expressly permitted.
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Originally posted by Pulcinella View PostBlack's Law Dictionary defines unlawful as "not authorized by law, illegal." Illegal is defined as "forbidden by law, unlawful." Semantically, there is a slight difference. It seems that something illegal is expressly proscribed by statute, and something unlawful is just not expressly authorized.
Jaywalking is a good example of an unlawful act. Traffic regulations do not typically say that you cannot walk diagonally through an intersection. So, it is not illegal. Rather, traffic regulations typically provide that you can cross within a crosswalk when the little walky-man appears. Crossing in any other way is unlawful because it is not expressly permitted.
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