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  • Richard Tarleton

    Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post

    Speaking of which, this article sheds light on a matter which had previously puzzled me somewhat:
    A similar piece in today's Sunday Times, which you won't have seen . Having had first hand experience of EU grants funding amazing environmental projects in Wales, I was similarly mystified. Mark Drakeford has spoken at the conference today and come out strongly for Remain.

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    • John Locke

      Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
      Speaking of which, this article sheds light on a matter which had previously puzzled me somewhat:
      Short article but it does seem to back the research up well. I wonder, though, whether there wasn't a similar situation in Cornwall. The Mebyon Kernyw* (I don't know literally) may well have been for Remain with the elderly retired voting Leave. Cornwall also a main beneficiary of EU funds.

      *Just a designation for the native Cornish people, not the party!

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      • Richard Barrett
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        • Jan 2016
        • 6259

        Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
        today's Sunday Times, which you won't have seen
        Indeed not, I'm not going to help line Mr Murdoch's pockets. If I want an alternative view I tend to look at the Economist.

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        • ahinton
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          • Nov 2010
          • 16122

          Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
          His line isn't so different from a lot of the material you see in the "liberal press" though, don't you think?

          Speaking of which, this article sheds light on a matter which had previously puzzled me somewhat:
          They come over here, taking all our votes...

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          • teamsaint
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            • Nov 2010
            • 25210

            In 2014, 600k English people lived in Wales, and 500 k Welsh people lived in England .
            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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            • Dave2002
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 18021

              Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
              Popular joke in Eastern Europe. My wife grew up in the DDR. I heard it there in the 70s.

              Was ist schön und was ist ScheiĂŸe?
              Schön, dass es den Sozialismus gibt. ScheiĂŸe, dass es den hier gibt.

              What's great and what's sh*t?
              Great that socialism exists. Sh*t that it exists here.

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              • Richard Tarleton

                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                In 2014, 600k English people lived in Wales, and 500 k Welsh people lived in England .
                Where are these figures from, ts? Census returns? Was this people self-identifying as English or Welsh?

                The English vote in Wales doesn't entirely cover it: Welsh-speaking areas such as Gwynedd and Ceredigion saw some of the highest remain votes in Wales. It is not a consistent picture, however, with the valleys in South Wales voting to leave despite benefiting most from EU funds. In Blaenau Gwent and Torfaen, about 60% voted to leave. (Sunday Times)

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                • teamsaint
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25210

                  Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                  Where are these figures from, ts? Census returns? Was this people self-identifying as English or Welsh?

                  The English vote in Wales doesn't entirely cover it: Welsh-speaking areas such as Gwynedd and Ceredigion saw some of the highest remain votes in Wales. It is not a consistent picture, however, with the valleys in South Wales voting to leave despite benefiting most from EU funds. In Blaenau Gwent and Torfaen, about 60% voted to leave. (Sunday Times)

                  Number of non-Welsh Britons settling in Wales jumps by 17 per cent in 20 years putting Welsh on course to become a minority within the century


                  I was just making the point that there is more to the story than just the number of English living in Wales in terms of who voted for what. Though I accept that the English vote quite possibly moved the Welsh result from something like 50/50, if one counted the votes of Welsh people living in Wales, to the 52/48 that Wales returned, I think.
                  Last edited by teamsaint; 22-09-19, 21:26.
                  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                  I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                  • LHC
                    Full Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 1557

                    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ghts-west.html

                    I was just making the point that there is more to the story than just the number of English living in Wales in terms of who voted for what. Though I accept that the English vote quite possibly moved the Welsh result from something like 50/50, if one counted the votes of Welsh people living in Wales, to the 52/48 that Wales returned, I think.
                    It’s a bit rich to complain about the votes of people who have made use of the freedom to move to live in Wales skewing the voting there. I’m sure there would be a justified outcry if Farage claimed that immigrants voting for remain skewed the vote in London.

                    The only requirement for voting in a particular area is that you live there, not that you can trace your ancestry back to Owain Glyndwr (if in Wales), or Oliver Cromwell in England.
                    "I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
                    Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest

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                    • Richard Barrett
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                      • Jan 2016
                      • 6259

                      Originally posted by LHC View Post
                      It’s a bit rich to complain about the votes of people who have made use of the freedom to move to live in Wales skewing the voting there.
                      I don't think anyone's complaining, just commenting on a figure that goes some way towards explaining a seemingly anomalous result.

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                      • Richard Tarleton

                        Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ghts-west.html

                        I was just making the point that there is more to the story than just the number of English living in Wales in terms of who voted for what. Though I accept that the English vote quite possibly moved the Welsh result from something like 50/50, if one counted the votes of Welsh people living in Wales, to the 52/48 that Wales returned, I think.
                        Ah yes, I'd forgotten the question in the 2011 Census.

                        My MP told me in an exchange of emails that 58% of people in our area voted leave. Fair number of incomers hereabouts. Me, I'm a bit of a statistical outlier

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                        • John Locke

                          Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                          My MP told me in an exchange of emails that 58% of people in our area voted leave. Fair number of incomers hereabouts.
                          Pembrokeshire? Little England beyond Wales? That goes back many centuries!

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                          • MrGongGong
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post

                            My MP told me in an exchange of emails that 58% of people in our area voted leave.
                            That is what is known as a lie
                            Because 100% of people didn't vote in any area

                            Or is it only those who vote who count ? which ignores a vast number of people who are too young etc etc

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                            • Richard Tarleton

                              Originally posted by John Locke View Post
                              Pembrokeshire? Little England beyond Wales? That goes back many centuries!

                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little...d_beyond_Wales
                              We even have our own variety of "beyond Wales" rock sea lavender on the clifftops - Limonium transwallianum

                              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                              That is what is known as a lie
                              Because 100% of people didn't vote in any area

                              Or is it only those who vote who count ? which ignores a vast number of people who are too young etc etc
                              Indeed....what I think he was trying to tell me is that I'm in a minority among the 1500 or so people who write to him (he says).

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                              • MrGongGong
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                                Indeed....what I think he was trying to tell me is that I'm in a minority among the 1500 or so people who write to him (he says).
                                It might be worth pointing out to him that there is a difference between a delegate and a representative
                                maybe Mr Pee and his dictionary would be useful ?

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