Originally posted by Richard Barrett
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The Dictatorship of the Etonariat
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"I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest
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Originally posted by CGR View PostThe people seem to agree with you. I note that the Limp Dims have moved into 2nd place in the opinion polls this week.
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 32% (-)
LDEM: 23% (+4)
LAB: 21% (-2)
BREX: 14% (-)
GRN: 4% (-3)
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@YouGov
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostMagic grandpa isn't going to make life better for those he claims to care about if he is still insistent on "respecting" the referendum
along with being keen on things like "economic growth" and so on
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I completely understand why some would want JC as PM. But I think it would complete the UK’s status as the laughing stock of the world. I look at all this polarised hatred coupled with an often wilful ignorance of history, and I despair. If this hubris continues, then the accumulated grievances of the last 40 years will be as nothing to what comes. I say again, go read some history about what happens when the middle hollows out and nobody listens to anyone else anymore. No one over the age of 20 will survive to the next period of stability, I don’t think that’s what most of us want.
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John Locke
Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Posta turning point in the 1980s towards a political ideology that held that voting completely selfishly was actually ok, and that this is one of the factors which enabled the ruling class to roll back many of the social-democratic reforms which had been instituted since 1945.
On the Labour taxation policies, I would be interested in some kind of perspective: in terms of revenue raised, how do the 'tax the wealthy' policies compare with, for instance, 1p on the basic rate of income tax?
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Originally posted by John Locke View PostI wonder whether, decades later, we are finally reaping the whirlwind with the 'majority' demanding what they voted for in a rather unpleasant, thoughtless way. From the Attlee/Churchill era to Heath and Wilson, I don't think people were appalled/angry/disturbed at the thought of 'the other side' winning because both sides had coalesced somewhere in the centre. But the crash of 2008, the migrant/refugee problem and Brexit have unleashed the worst in people and politicians. Every man for himself and dog eats dog.
On the Labour taxation policies, I would be interested in some kind of perspective: in terms of revenue raised, how do the 'tax the wealthy' policies compare with, for instance, 1p on the basic rate of income tax?
A 1% increase in income tax for everyone would generate significant sums because it would involve everyone paying more, rather than just a very small percentage of the population. However, that would also make it a very hard sell to the electorate. It’s much easier to sell tax increases for the ‘rich’ (or at least those richer than the general population) than ask everyone to make a larger contribution."I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance. Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone. The whole theory of modern education is radically unsound. Fortunately in England, at any rate, education produces no effect whatsoever. If it did, it would prove a serious danger to the upper classes, and probably lead to acts of violence in Grosvenor Square."
Lady Bracknell The importance of Being Earnest
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Originally posted by Conchis View PostLabour policy on Brexit is moving, with painful slowness, in the right direction.
Of course, the smartest move would be a straight Revoke,
Sadly, there is this to contend with
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Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
I think a special place in hell will be reserved for Labout leavers, though. ‘Reactionary leftists’ like Skinner and Hoey may be able to use their own innate stupidity as a defence, but pepole like Frank Field and Caroline Flint, who know the damage Brexit will cause but are supporting it ‘because it’s what their constituents voted for’ have no such excuse.Last edited by Conchis; 21-09-19, 08:50.
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John Locke
Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
What seemsworrying, though, is the intolerance shown towards centrist moderates by sections of the left. What happened to the 'broad church'? My MP is threatened with deselection, just like some of the Tory MPs, though not for opposing Brexit but for being critical of the party leadership.
As for supporting the 2016 vote on the grounds of 'democracy', this is rather like an amateur football team scoring the first goal and then declaring the match over.
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