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  • MrGongGong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 18357

    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    So, you don't want it both ways, then?
    Nothing to do with what I want

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    • Richard Barrett
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      • Jan 2016
      • 6259

      Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
      So, you don't want it both ways, then?
      Well quite. He says it's "sad" that nobody is saying they'll put up taxes to pay for better living conditions for people, I point out that actually someone is, and he says it's never going to happen. Well it isn't going to happen unless enough people decide to make it happen, that's for sure. I thought it was Jeremy Corbyn who was supposed to be the indecisive one.

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      • MrGongGong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 18357

        Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
        Well quite. He says it's "sad" that nobody is saying they'll put up taxes to pay for better living conditions for people, I point out that actually someone is, and he says it's never going to happen. Well it isn't going to happen unless enough people decide to make it happen, that's for sure. I thought it was Jeremy Corbyn who was supposed to be the indecisive one.
        Magic grandpa isn't going to make life better for those he claims to care about if he is still insitent on "respecting" the referendum
        along with being keen on things like "economic growth" and so on

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        • CGR
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          • Aug 2016
          • 370

          Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
          I think you might have perfectly illustrated why a Labour government is unlikely
          The people seem to agree with you. I note that the Limp Dims have moved into 2nd place in the opinion polls this week.

          Westminster voting intention:

          CON: 32% (-)
          LDEM: 23% (+4)
          LAB: 21% (-2)
          BREX: 14% (-)
          GRN: 4% (-3)

          via
          @YouGov

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          • Dave2002
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            • Dec 2010
            • 18009

            Originally posted by CGR View Post
            The people seem to agree with you. I note that the Limp Dims have moved into 2nd place in the opinion polls this week.

            Westminster voting intention:

            CON: 32% (-)
            LDEM: 23% (+4)
            LAB: 21% (-2)
            BREX: 14% (-)
            GRN: 4% (-3)

            via
            @YouGov
            .... and with our (arguably) good/unfair (depending on viewpoint) electoral system that's not looking great (arguably!). Run off elections or other modes of voting would mean that eventually there would be a fairly definitive decision, but here we see 62% of the electorate, some of whom might vote against the Cons, fragmented into different groups, so the Cons could "walk it" if they were allowed to have an election.

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            • Stanfordian
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              • Dec 2010
              • 9309

              I want to vote for the SDP. Are they still going??

              Oh! those heady days of such optimism with the gang of four: Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Bill Rodgers and Shirley Williams (all later raised to the nobility).

              Last edited by Stanfordian; 20-09-19, 15:16.

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              • ahinton
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                • Nov 2010
                • 16122

                Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                I want to vote for the SDP. Are they still going??

                Oh! those heady days of such optimism with the gang of four: Roy Jenkins, David Owen, Bill Rodgers and Shirley Williams.
                All but the first of these are still with us but the party dissolved in March 1988. I expect UKIP to do the same soon...

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                • Stanfordian
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                  • Dec 2010
                  • 9309

                  Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                  All but the first of these are still with us but the party dissolved in March 1988. I expect UKIP to do the same soon...

                  I was only joking! I knew of the SDP fate.

                  With UKIP, you might be right.

                  I think a reformed Labour party is possible too.

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                  • Bryn
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 24688

                    Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                    . . . I think a reformed Labour party is possible too.
                    A re-formation was certainly needed following the deformation under Blair and co. There again, it's always been run by the labour aristocracy from day one.

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                    • vinteuil
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12793

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                      Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                      I want to vote for the SDP. Are they still going??
                      .
                      ... it's the Rockingham Whigs I miss.

                      .

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                      • Richard Tarleton

                        Mrs T pointed out that Dave has blown the knighthood. Caitlin Moran hilarious today.

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                        • ahinton
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 16122

                          Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                          I was only joking! I knew of the SDP fate.
                          I did wonder!...

                          Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                          With UKIP, you might be right.
                          I certainly hope so, although their drubbing in the EU elections earlier this year was as much down to the Brexit Party stealing the thunder that they didn't have.

                          Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                          I think a reformed Labour party is possible too.
                          That would depend upon its members; it would also be predicated upon what I imagine to be elusive broad agreement between them as to the kind of reformed Labour Party they want...

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                          • MrGongGong
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                            .



                            .
                            ... it's the Rockingham Whigs I miss.

                            .
                            Hoots Mon ?

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                            • Conchis
                              Banned
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 2396

                              Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                              All but the first of these are still with us but the party dissolved in March 1988. I expect UKIP to do the same soon...
                              Not true. The SDP survived until the early 90s, because David Owen’s ego refused to let it die. But when they were beaten by the MRLP at a by-election, the game was finally up.

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