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  • Richard Barrett
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    • Jan 2016
    • 6259

    Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
    One, Trump has been made bankrupt four or six times depending on viewpoint.
    He filed for bankruptcy in order to avoid paying taxes, which if I recall correctly he spun as being "smart". I'm not sure what exact circumstances would enable the kind of expulsion you mention in your second point. Has this ever actually happened?

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    • P. G. Tipps
      Full Member
      • Jun 2014
      • 2978

      Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
      Are the words Brexit and Trump interchangeable?
      I take your point but they are quite clear connections and it is hardly by accident that May is going to be the first foreign leader to be granted an "audience" with Trump this week.

      Anyone who saw and heard arch-Brexiteer Gove's interview with Trump a few days ago and the cringeworthy staccato-like 'yes. yes. yes' responses to every silly thing Trump had to say would have been left in little doubt as to the likely brave new direction of UK foreign policy.

      In a world of large political blocs Brexit really means if we cease being an important member of one large bloc we have to accept joining or more realistically being dominated by some other large bloc and there has always only been one realistic alternative to the EU for the UK.

      At least our politicians understand that only too well but they appear to think that will give the UK new influence in the world. 'America First' demonstrates just how much progress the USA's new favourite pet-poodle is likely to make in any future trade talks with its head-patting master.

      Not an attractive prospect for those who firmly believe the UK should and can have a better and more honourable role in world affairs than that ?.

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      • french frank
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        • Feb 2007
        • 30301

        Following a complaint I have removed one post, and a following one which quoted it. For the record, it was deleted for the language in which it was expressed: the substance was such that, in my view - though this, I admit, is an entirely personal one - no right-minded, members of the liberal elite with any self-respect, or respect for their fellow beings, could disagree.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Dave2002
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          • Dec 2010
          • 18021

          I suspect most of us have read it (the deleted post) already.

          Are we now discussing global politics, or is this a temporary period in which we can consider whether we are to suffer a truly awful period for the next decade, or whether some optimism will turn out not to be misplaced?



          President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan ....
          Perhaps we really are now living in "interesting times".

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          • french frank
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            • Feb 2007
            • 30301

            We are not - with impunity - discussing global politics. It is sometimes quite difficult - for some people, impossible - to separate political thought, theory and ideas from how much we hate the politicians who are ruling us who are creating an unequal, prejudiced and generally hateful world.

            But do try …

            Originally posted by Dave2002 View Post
            I suspect most of us have read it (the deleted post) already.

            Are we now discussing global politics, or is this a temporary period in which we can consider whether we are to suffer a truly awful period for the next decade, or whether some optimism will turn out not to be misplaced?





            Perhaps we really are now living in "interesting times".
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • jean
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 7100

              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
              He filed for bankruptcy in order to avoid paying taxes, which if I recall correctly he spun as being "smart".
              You make it sound as though that was the only reason, but the businesses were failing anyway.

              I still don't really understand how US bankruptcy differs from ours, though.

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              • french frank
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                • Feb 2007
                • 30301

                Originally posted by jean View Post
                You make it sound as though that was the only reason, but the businesses were failing anyway.

                I still don't really understand how US bankruptcy differs from ours, though.
                At a quick glance, according to Wikipedia, in the UK 'bankruptcy' only applies to individuals and partnerships which are insolvent. Bankruptcy is not, properly, a term used for companies - perhaps in the US it is? (It's used here too, but that's incorrect).

                Thought: maybe it's in the definition of 'insolvency'?
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Dave2002
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 18021

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  We are not - with impunity - discussing global politics. It is sometimes quite difficult - for some people, impossible - to separate political thought, theory and ideas from how much we hate the politicians who are ruling us who are creating an unequal, prejudiced and generally hateful world.

                  But do try …
                  Maybe these pages will be of interest though -

                  WhiteHouse.gov is the official web site for the White House and President Barack Obama, the 44th President of the United States. This site is a source for information about the President, White House news and policies, White House history, and the federal government.


                  WhiteHouse.gov is the official web site for the White House and President Barack Obama, the 44th President of the United States. This site is a source for information about the President, White House news and policies, White House history, and the federal government.


                  You can put in different dates in the first of these links, to see what comes up.

                  Enjoy - as they say somewhere!

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                  • pastoralguy
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 7759

                    Alex Salmond was interviewed after the Trump inauguration and he commented that when he was dealing with him , so long as Salmond was agreeing with him then 'I was the greatest politician EVER! ' However, if Salmond disagreed, then Trump would refer to him as 'little Alex'.

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                    • jean
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7100

                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      We are not - with impunity - discussing global politics...
                      What's the punishment to be, then?

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                      • french frank
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                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30301

                        Originally posted by jean View Post
                        What's the punishment to be, then?
                        Removal to the Basement where threads tend to fizzle out without the grandstand factor.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Lat-Literal
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                          • Aug 2015
                          • 6983

                          Originally posted by jean View Post
                          You make it sound as though that was the only reason, but the businesses were failing anyway.

                          I still don't really understand how US bankruptcy differs from ours, though.
                          I don't either - the point RB has made is one I could be prepared to accept but as with much else now I am not sure the actual facts are in the public domain. On the question about the circumstances in which EU citizens would be moved from Britain after 3 months, I don't think it matters here. The point is that they can be lawfully and hardly anyone knows it. Democracy can only hope to work fairly if the general public has a clear understanding of the facts. Where there are points that campaign teams don't want to make, they can lose.
                          Last edited by Lat-Literal; 22-01-17, 14:02.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30301

                            I don't think your being rude here effects him or the world situation. All it does is get a formal complaint. Personalising insults here - whether towards other members, Radio 3 staff or anyone else in the public eye - is a waste of breath.

                            Sadly, I'm aware that people take more notice of loud-mouthed individuals who go round declaring their opinions (however unpleasant) in strong terms than of reasoned arguments. Hence Mr Trump and Brexit. Speaking to 'the people' aka populism.

                            Though I do wish you and your counterpart would stop exchanging complaints about each other, as this accounts for about 95% of all formal complaints received.

                            Originally posted by MrGongGong
                            I'm not going to endlessly argue
                            BUT the problem is that the attitude to this hideous man normalises abuse which we, as human beings, shouldn't tolerate.

                            Being "polite" lets him and his ilk get away with it
                            and the millions of people marching yesterday prove that many of us don't want him to get away with it.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              At a quick glance, according to Wikipedia, in the UK 'bankruptcy' only applies to individuals and partnerships which are insolvent. Bankruptcy is not, properly, a term used for companies - perhaps in the US it is? (It's used here too, but that's incorrect).

                              Thought: maybe it's in the definition of 'insolvency'?
                              Useful, if rather brief, item here.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30301

                                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                                Useful, if rather brief, item here.
                                I think that probably nails it:

                                "Why is bankruptcy in the US different?

                                In the US it is more common for a company to go into Chapter 11 bankruptcy, which gives it an opportunity to reorganise and emerge from bankruptcy.

                                Chapter 11 basically gives an ailing company a bit of breathing space and allows the management to stay in charge while negotiating with creditors.

                                For example, the US airline TWA filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy before it was bought by American Airlines. "
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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