Terrible news for music in the UK

[MrGongGong]

So, it might be "politics" BUT this will have a terrible effect on music in the UK if it happens.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/mar/12/eu-workers-deported-earning-less-35000-employees-americans-australians

[teamsaint]

keep the bits of politics I don't like out of music.

[Beef Oven!]

So, it might be "politics" BUT this will have a terrible affect on music in the UK if it happens.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...ns-australians

Is she any good at football?

[ahinton]

Is she any good at football?

I've signed; have you?

[ardcarp]

Taken at face value, it's awful One has to be sure that axes are not being ground somewhere by someone....e.g people finding as many reasons as possible to brexit. How do such rules apply to self-employed people (esp. musicians) whose income may vary from year to year?

[ahinton]

Taken at face value, it's awful One has to be sure that axes are not being ground somewhere by someone....e.g people finding as many reasons as possible to brexit. How do such rules apply to self-employed people (esp. musicians) whose income may vary from year to year?

I don't know but did wonder about that; I would hope that the intended rules do not discriminate against the self-employed, of whom there are a particular high proportion in the musc profession.

[Richard Barrett]

So, it might be "politics" BUT this will have a terrible effect on music in the UK if it happens.

It's appalling. Like many policies pursued by the current gang it either hasn't been thought through in terms of who it will affect and how, or (more likely) it has and they don't give a ****.

[Beef Oven!]

I've signed; have you?

Yes, I've signed the petition - it's another example of the 'bad government' that we've been experiencing over the last 40 years in the UK. No involvement or consultation with stakeholders or experts, no regard to the agencies that will be expected to implement it and no alignment with any sensible objective (it won't deliver whatever it is they have in their minds). I honestly think the UK is unique in this regard. But what do I know?

[teamsaint]

Yes, I've signed the petition - it's another example of the 'bad government' that we've been experiencing over the last 40 years in the UK. No involvement or consultation with stakeholders or experts, no regard to the agencies that will be expected to implement it and no alignment with any sensible objective (it won't deliver whatever it is they have in their minds). I honestly think the UK is unique in this regard. But what do I know?

You sound like you know what you are talking about here.
But how do you know it wont deliver whatever it is they have in their minds,if you dont know what is in their minds?

Its not impossible , for example, that they just want to muddy the waters around immigration, as a political weapon. keeping the public arguing about this stuff might be quite handy for politicians with other agendas too.( like supporting TTIP, for example).

[P. G. Tipps]

Yes, I've signed the petition - it's another example of the 'bad government' that we've been experiencing over the last 40 years in the UK. No involvement or consultation with stakeholders or experts, no regard to the agencies that will be expected to implement it and no alignment with any sensible objective (it won't deliver whatever it is they have in their minds). I honestly think the UK is unique in this regard. But what do I know?

You should hear what some 'ordinary' Americans think about government from Washington D.C.!

I'm with Ardcarp on this story which should be treated with some caution.

As ever, politics and/or sensationalism will tend to obliterate the broader facts in many such press reports.

No, I never sign 'petitions' as I tend to have a deep suspicion of the real motives of those behind them, I'm afraid.

[teamsaint]

You should hear what some 'ordinary' Americans think about government from Washington D.C.!

I'm with Ardcarp on this story which should be treated with some caution.

As ever, politics and/or sensationalism will tend to obliterate the broader facts in many such press reports.

No, I never sign 'petitions' as I tend to have a deep suspicion of the real motives of those behind them, I'm afraid.

The motivation behind the current petition to save local authority funding for rural bus routes in wiltshire ,is to save funding for rural bus routes in wiltshire.
Seems Clear enough.

[Richard Barrett]

Every media story should be treated with some caution, but if you can be bothered you can read on the government's own website that: "From 6 April 2016, those applying for settlement from Tier 2 and who entered Tier 2 under the rules in force from 6 April 2011 must be paid at least £35,000 per annum or the going rate in the relevant UK Border Agency Code of Practice, whichever is higher." I assume that this information is reliable. Here is the link if anyone wants to check: https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...erseas-soi.pdf

As for the motives behind people setting up petitions I would think they are fairly clear in this case: to oppose the idea that there should be an income qualification for non-EU immigrants to stay in the UK longer than five years. I don't see how that can be construed as "deeply suspicious". Either you think it's fair or you don't.

[Beef Oven!]

You sound like you know what you are talking about here.
But how do you know it wont deliver whatever it is they have in their minds,if you dont know what is in their minds?

Partly because the process is flawed, as I've outlined. It doesn't matter how they are minded, the whole thing wil fail whatever.

[cloughie]

The motivation behind the current petition to save local authority funding for rural bus routes in wiltshire ,is to save funding for rural bus routes in wiltshire.
Seems Clear enough.

It never ceases to amaze me how much money is available for public transport in London compared to the rest of the country. £35000 is quite a high figure - most employers down here could afford that anyway!

[cloughie]

Partly because the process is flawed, as I've outlined. It doesn't matter how they are minded, the whole thing wil fail whatever.

Not least because attempts to deporting people are usually unsuccessful.